Federal Carbon Price established at $10 a tonne in 2018, rising to $50 by 2022

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Cut use by 75% would be the easy solution. Off-grid 12 vdc would be the basic power and you can go up or down from there as required. Producing the voltage would be from a variety of on-site solutions. Including rolling big rocks down a hill and capturing the energy for use in the winter months.
 

Cannuck

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Fresh off the press for everyone to read in the next few days.

Enjoy!


How British Columbia Enacted the Most Effective Carbon Tax in North America

Suppose that you live in Vancouver and you drive a car to work. Naturally, you have to get gas regularly. When you stop at the pump, you may see a notice like the one below, explaining that part of the price you're paying is, in effect, due to the cost of carbon. That's because in 2008, the government of British Columbia decided to impose a tax on greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels, enacting what has been called "the most significant carbon tax in the Western Hemisphere by far."

A carbon tax is just what it sounds like: The BC government levies a fee, currently 30 Canadian dollars, for every metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent emissions resulting from the burning of various fuels, including gasoline, diesel, natural gas, and, of course, coal. That amount is then included in the price you pay at the pump—for gasoline, it's 6.67 cents per liter (about 25 cents per gallon)—or on your home heating bill, or wherever else the tax applies. (Canadian dollars are currently worth about 89 American cents).

If the goal was to reduce global warming pollution, then the BC carbon tax totally works. Since its passage, gasoline use in British Columbia has plummeted, declining seven times as much as might be expected from an equivalent rise in the market price of gas, according to a recent study by two researchers at the University of Ottawa. That's apparently because the tax hasn't just had an economic effect: It has also helped change the culture of energy use in BC. "I think it really increased the awareness about climate change and the need for carbon reduction, just because it was a daily, weekly thing that you saw," says Merran Smith, the head of Clean Energy Canada. "It made climate action real to people."

It also saved many of them a lot of money. Sure, the tax may cost you if you drive your car a great deal, or if you have high home gas heating costs. But it also gives you the opportunity to save a lot of money if you change your habits, for instance by driving less or buying a more fuel-efficient vehicle. That's because the tax is designed to be "revenue neutral"—the money it raises goes right back to citizens in the form of tax breaks. Overall, the tax has brought in some $5 billion in revenue so far, and more than $3 billion has then been returned in the form of business tax cuts, along with over $1 billion in personal tax breaks, and nearly $1 billion in low-income tax credits (to protect those for whom rising fuel costs could mean the greatest economic hardship). According to the BC Ministry of Finance, for individuals who earn up to $122,000, income tax rates in the province are now Canada's lowest.

How British Columbia Enacted the Most Effective Carbon Tax in North America - CityLab
But you can't consider something "effective" without explaining what it is you are trying to do. Since the problem is climate change, you are suggesting that this is having an affect on climate change. How?
 

darkbeaver

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No need to believe.

It already happened in BC and it made their economy better.

You are a lot crazier than I am.


Your constant and steadfast defence of global warming means you will eventually freeze to death. I had a dream.
 

10larry

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If it is revenue neutral how does carbon free energy get funding to make fossil fuels obsolete? Pay at the pump and get an offsetting tax credit leaves no profit for government or windmill fabricators, rev neutral.....unadulterated bs.
If a consumer pay scheme doesn't stuff elitist and gov coffers gov is not interested, too bad junior learned nothing from the eu mess that created quite a few billionaires before the carbon market tanked.
Will air canada and westjet add a carbon component to their ticket price I wonder, china and india refused to play the carbon game with brussels leaving the tax in limbo, can foreign nations be forced to take part in an eu or ottawa trading scheme?
 

Walter

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If it is revenue neutral how does carbon free energy get funding to make fossil fuels obsolete? Pay at the pump and get an offsetting tax credit leaves no profit for government or windmill fabricators, rev neutral.....unadulterated bs.
If a consumer pay scheme doesn't stuff elitist and gov coffers gov is not interested, too bad junior learned nothing from the eu mess that created quite a few billionaires before the carbon market tanked.
Will air canada and westjet add a carbon component to their ticket price I wonder, china and india refused to play the carbon game with brussels leaving the tax in limbo, can foreign nations be forced to take part in an eu or ottawa trading scheme?
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up. Facts bother the left.
 

Queb

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while Montreal pumps millions of gallons of raw sewage into the St Laurence for free. Makes perfect sense to some I guess.


and Toronto, Halifax, Winnipeg, Victoria, .....


5. ET AILLEURS?

La Ville de Montréal a rejeté à quelques reprises de très grandes quantités usées dans le fleuve en raison de travaux dans le même égout collecteur sud-est.

  • Printemps 2003 : 10,5 milliards de litres ont été déversés.
  • Automne 2003 : 7,6 milliards de litres ont été déversés.
  • Automne 2005 : 770 millions de litres ont été déversés.
Cette pratique se fait aussi ailleurs au pays. À Toronto, en juillet 2013, de fortes précipitations ont causé le déversement d'un milliard de litres d'eaux usées dans le lac Ontario.

À Halifax, en Nouvelle-Écosse, il n'y a pas eu d'usine de traitement des eaux usées avant 2008.

À Winnipeg, au Manitoba, 185 millions de litres d'eaux usées ont été déversés dans les rivières Rouge et Assiniboine depuis 2004. Il en coûterait 4 milliards de dollars pour régler le problème, et la Ville n'a pas de plan global avant 2017.

Quant à Victoria, en Colombie-Britannique, les déversements d'eaux usées s'élèvent à 130 millions de litres par jour, soit 44,5 milliards de litres par année. Il n'y a pas de solution en vue avant 2020.
 

darkbeaver

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and Toronto, Halifax, Winnipeg, Victoria, .....

Pumping our waste into the deep, the deep is very deep, will our waste fill the eternal waste reduction equiupment, not rfukkin likely, whatever you eat you should be looking to the next age,forward thinking ,forward is the hard bit, trust is a point of view, have a nice time deciding
 

Bar Sinister

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No big surprise there. Waiting for the provinces to get their act together would be like waiting for the next ice age. What the Liberals are doing is what Harper should have done, but didn't due to the close connections of the Conservatives with big oil.

Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up. Facts bother the left.

Not nearly as much as they bother the right. - Or you.

If it is revenue neutral how does carbon free energy get funding to make fossil fuels obsolete? Pay at the pump and get an offsetting tax credit leaves no profit for government or windmill fabricators, rev neutral.....unadulterated bs.
If a consumer pay scheme doesn't stuff elitist and gov coffers gov is not interested, too bad junior learned nothing from the eu mess that created quite a few billionaires before the carbon market tanked.
Will air canada and westjet add a carbon component to their ticket price I wonder, china and india refused to play the carbon game with brussels leaving the tax in limbo, can foreign nations be forced to take part in an eu or ottawa trading scheme?


Many foreign nations already have the equivalent of carbon taxes. All you have to do is check out what price motorists in various nations pay for a liter of gasoline. Gasoline prices around the world, 03-Oct-2016 | GlobalPetrolPrices.com
 

Dixie Cup

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I believe it's totally impossible for a carbon tax to be "revenue neutral". How can it possibly be? Someone has to administer the process right. There's a cost right there. And, who knows what other "costs" can be attributed to it that may not necessarily be monetary. Whomever wants to believe that anything the government does can be "revenue neutral" is simply not thinking clearly and I have some Florida swampland for sale too. Governments have NEVER been able to institute anything without it costing taxpayers waaayyy more than they indicate. Waaaayyyy more and what is really frustrating is that its all for nought. It's just a money grab and another way to "distribute the wealth" - problem is the wealthy are the ones to benefit and not the average Joe.


JMHO
 

Walter

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I believe it's totally impossible for a carbon tax to be "revenue neutral". How can it possibly be? Someone has to administer the process right. There's a cost right there. And, who knows what other "costs" can be attributed to it that may not necessarily be monetary. Whomever wants to believe that anything the government does can be "revenue neutral" is simply not thinking clearly and I have some Florida swampland for sale too. Governments have NEVER been able to institute anything without it costing taxpayers waaayyy more than they indicate. Waaaayyyy more and what is really frustrating is that its all for nought. It's just a money grab and another way to "distribute the wealth" - problem is the wealthy are the ones to benefit and not the average Joe.


JMHO
Gubmint knows best. This new policy will cost each Canadian family many thousands of dollars a year to support a farce.
 

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But you can't consider something "effective" without explaining what it is you are trying to do. Since the problem is climate change, you are suggesting that this is having an affect on climate change. How?

Hello Flossy? Is it really that difficult for you to explain what it is you are trying to accomplish with a carbon tax?
 

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Hello Flossy? Is it really that difficult for you to explain what it is you are trying to accomplish with a carbon tax?
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No need to believe.

It already happened in BC and it made their economy better.
Did it help with climate change and did it reduce any emissions ?

You guys don't have to like the tax, hell you don't even have to understand the principal behind it. You just have to pay it.
Yup pay the tax and all the increases in consumer goods that come with it .Our standard of living just went down , and You are cheering .