Father charged in son's spanking.

[karrie]

No, here it is in plain English: you believe that all physical discipline is wrong. All of it. No gray areas. Yet, you use different logic when it comes to psychological discipline, all of a sudden there are degrees of 'removing privileges'.

Why do you allow degrees of psychological abuse (I mean discipline), but not physical?

Some people don't see that an in control adult who spanks is ONLY an in control adult who spanks. They are not the same thing as an out of control parent who is abusing their kid. And a parent who doesn't spank isn't one who is guaranteed to not spiral out of control and go from 'no snack', to 'no supper', to 'no water'. Only spankers can spiral out of control grasping at straws to force their kids to behave right?

 

[AnnaG]

That would be "so called" experts.

Noooooooooooooo, they would be right-wing religious nuts, remember? lol

 

[AnnaG]

Some people don't see that an in control adult who spanks is ONLY an in control adult who spanks. They are not the same thing as an out of control parent who is abusing their kid. And a parent who doesn't spank isn't one who is guaranteed to not spiral out of control and go from 'no snack', to 'no supper', to 'no water'. Only spankers can spiral out of control grasping at straws to force their kids to behave right?

... and confining someone (withholding them from exercising their free will) isn't the same as keeping them from a tv (also withholding them from doing something they want).

 

[gerryh]

having 7 kids.... with the 2 oldest being ADD/ADHD, I have lots of stories about so called 'experts" and their advice, but I feel that it would be a waste of my time to post the anecdotes.

 

[karrie]

having 7 kids.... with the 2 oldest being ADD/ADHD, I have lots of stories about so called 'experts" and their advice, but I feel that it would be a waste of my time to post the anecdotes.

what it boils down to is that few 'experts' have time to spend enough time with a kid to tailor to them. Instead they run off a text book.

 

[AnnaG]

having 7 kids.... with the 2 oldest being ADD/ADHD, I have lots of stories about so called 'experts" and their advice, but I feel that it would be a waste of my time to post the anecdotes.

Just choose a couple highlights then. Some people are willing to listen.

 

[Unforgiven]

Your pet? Let me guess....a poodle?

It's a cross breed, a trolly-poo.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, baked beans, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Egg, Spin, Bacon, Spin, Tomatoes, and Spin. Perhaps you should reread what Karrie actually said.

Indeed Anna. Surest signs that you have run out of argument. Such posts really give me a great feeling. You vividly illustrate what I have been saying all along (prolife, pro spanking, Bible based).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

. Then I posted an article that throws doubt upon even articles from scientific journals. Not that the poor little sod ever posted much to support his wacky ideas anyway.

Now this is a good one, Anna. This is really precious. You claim that you posted an article that called into question the articles in scientific journals. So at a stroke of a pen you disproved anything and everything written in scientific journals. Where did you find this gem of an article that disproves all the science on this issue? In the Bible, I wager.

 

[CDNBear]

Well, there you go. Many people would consider witholding TV to be cruelty. You have a complete inability to consider perspectives that differ from your own.

Just because you view the world from one perspective doesn't make you right.

I bow to your higher intellect TP...that was spot on.

Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, baked beans, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Egg, Spin, Bacon, Spin, Tomatoes, and Spin. Perhaps you should reread what Karrie actually said.

Stop, you're making me nauseous.

Some people don't see that an in control adult who spanks is ONLY an in control adult who spanks. They are not the same thing as an out of control parent who is abusing their kid. And a parent who doesn't spank isn't one who is guaranteed to not spiral out of control and go from 'no snack', to 'no supper', to 'no water'. Only spankers can spiral out of control grasping at straws to force their kids to behave right?

That's because he's using a strawman, supported by his own opinion, using flawed judgment and nothing more.

It's a cross breed, a trolly-poo.

Indeed Anna. Surest signs that you have run out of argument. Such posts really give me a great feeling. You vividly illustrate what I have been saying all along (prolife, pro spanking, Bible based).

Nobody runs out of argument with you joey, they run out of patheince. You're obtuse, shallow, pedantic, narcassistic, ignorant, childish and ignorant.

You make claims that you can not back up with science, science is presneted to you and you ignore it, or move the goal posts. You use a strawman argument, and whenever someone else posts something remotely like it, you poo poo it.

I may be a "poodle" troll, but at least I'm not a self absorbed narcassistic prick. With that weight off my shoulders, I can go to my grave with a clean conscience.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Some people don't see that an in control adult who spanks is ONLY an in control adult who spanks. They are not the same thing as an out of control parent who is abusing their kid. And a parent who doesn't spank isn't one who is guaranteed to not spiral out of control and go from 'no snack', to 'no supper', to 'no water'. Only spankers can spiral out of control grasping at straws to force their kids to behave right?

Karrie, most of the other pro spanking crowd here have lost it, have descended here into total silliness, they have run out of arguments. You at any rate still continue to argue rationally (if we leave out your brief foray into the absurd claim of children being starved).

As to getting out of control, you are right, of course, anybody can get out of control. However, what happens if a non spanking parent gets out of control? Let us say he gives the punishment of no TV for one week. What does out of control mean in this context? Perhaps no TV for six month? That isn’t going to do any harm. Besides, after he has had time to cool down, he probably will see that no TV for six month is pretty unreasonable and will cut the punishment to one week or ten days.

But what happens when a spanking parent gets out of control? Why, excessive spanking, of course, perhaps requiring hospitalization.

So yes, anybody can get out of control, but the consequences may be totally different for a spanking and a non spanking parent.

It is like tripping and falling down while walking on the ground and walking on high wire. I compare spanking to walking on high wire. The consequences of excess, of loss of control are totally different in the two cases.

 

[Unforgiven]

You can sure throw the names around,

Yeah I sure can. What I wonder about is how people like you can actually sit there
toss a bunch of names around and then point a finger at someone else for it.

but you don't have much else going

for you, you constantly tell me and others about themselves, you can't seem
to stick to the issue, you have to throw personal insults.

I have no problem sticking to an issue. Threads tend to wonder closer to and further away from any give issue. Nature of the beast I am afraid. What I am though is tired after all these years of taking the time and effort to explain things to some as thick as yourself when there is no chance of you ever catching on to the point. That I call you an idiot right off the bat is simply a time saver for me.
You're going to go on as you have in this thread to show eveyone that you are dense and that repitition isn't going to get an idea, no matter how simple, through that thick skull of yours. If it bothers you to be insulted, you should learn to keep your stupid ideas to yourself.

"you only talk a good game", intelligence conversation and ideas, lead to

positive results, intelligence, calmness, listening, eye contact, love, all give
good results, children respond to those signals,

Most do, yet the jails are full of people who don't. Of course your answer to that is to put your fingers in your ears and start screaming blah blah blah. re: you're an idiot, I'm just the messenger.

not violence, you are obviously

a violent person, your insults show it over and over, you must be red in the
face, with veins sticking out of your neck, and just itching to get your hands
on whomever disagrees with you.

Simply one more example of you not knowing what you're talking about. You have never met me nor have you even talked to me much here. I know I haven't talked to you much at all. Yet here you are making some grandious statement about me regardless of the tiny amount of information you have about me.

I'll give you this one for free. Stop reading into messages what you want to hear and start to read only what's there. You will find that you make fewer stupid mistakes like this one and perhaps you will even begin to understand what people tell you the first or second time they say it to you.

Are there many who have the injuries and

bruises to show, after you have finished with them? Are there many who are
afraid of you? I couldn't discuss anything with you 'live', it would be scary, and
I think you like that, the power you think you have over others with name
calling, and the stories you 'make up' about me, have no connection to me
at all, 'it's just about you', everything that comes out of your mouth shows all
of us, it's all 'about you'.

When I am done the one thing that hurts most is your ego. The one thing you couldn't do is run your mouth as you do here. I would simply walk away and talk to someone else. A mouse like you in real life appears just as that, a mouse. Small and prone to hiding while sneaking out to steal what you can from others the only thing you add of your own is mouse ****. I am sure you would hate the experience as the usual time you spend dragging people along with you under the pretense that you know what you are doing or where you are going would be over in a couple of seconds thus taking from you your usual 15 minutes of fame that is always followed by the remorse of all others and you putting the blame on them for listening to you in the first place knowing that you're such a tool.

It's OK for others to disagree with others, and have a intelligent conversation

re: the opposite positions, without hurling insults.
Try it sometime, you might not get so riled up.

You can only manage this passive agressive nonsense while I can step up and call you a jerk and take ownership of my words. This is the difference between us. You would make a good lawyer or politician. Most are sleazy, lying, weasles too.

 

[Unforgiven]

having 7 kids.... with the 2 oldest being ADD/ADHD, I have lots of stories about so called 'experts" and their advice, but I feel that it would be a waste of my time to post the anecdotes.

There is an education in the experience of raising 7 kids. Books tend to put names to things learned during that experience. Having the book knowledge without the experience makes for a higher probability of misidentification.

 

[CDNBear]

Karrie, most of the other pro spanking crowd here have lost it, have descended here into total silliness, they have run out of arguments.

No they ran out of patience, and lowered themselves to your level.

You at any rate still continue to argue rationally (if we leave out your brief foray into the absurd claim of children being starved).

Why? You have been diving into the stupid pool continuously, with your asinine spanking leads to thsis and this BS.

As to getting out of control, you are right, of course, anybody can get out of control.

Bingo, there we have it joey has conceded.

However, what happens if a non spanking parent gets out of control? Let us say he gives the punishment of no TV for one week. What does out of control mean in this context? Perhaps no TV for six month? That isn’t going to do any harm. Besides, after he has had time to cool down, he probably will see that no TV for six month is pretty unreasonable and will cut the punishment to one week or ten days.

What if it descends into name calling? Verbal abuse? And so on?

But what happens when a spanking parent gets out of control? Why, excessive spanking, of course, perhaps requiring hospitalization.

And emotional, psycological and verbal abuse can have just as long lasting repercussions.

So yes, anybody can get out of control, but the consequences may be totally different for a spanking and a non spanking parent.

Bullsh!t!!! That's your opinion, not a fact.

It is like tripping and falling down while walking on the ground and walking on high wire. I compare spanking to walking on high wire. The consequences of excess, of loss of control are totally different in the two cases.

:roll:

More BS.

 

[DaSleeper]

Here is some expert opinion:lol:

YouTube - Doctor Depend - How should I deal with my unruly child?

 

[CDNBear]

Here is some expert opinion:lol:

YouTube - Doctor Depend - How should I deal with my unruly child?

 

[DaSleeper]

And the other side led by..........................................

YouTube - Foghorn Leghorn

 

[CDNBear]

And the other side led by..........................................

YouTube - Foghorn Leghorn

I got that!!!

 

[petros]

Does anybody remember Hot Wheels tracks? When the Hot Wheels track came out our house got quiet and was spotless within minutes.

I'll gladly teach any wimp parent how to properly use one.

 

[Cannuck]

Quoting AnnaG . Then I posted an article that throws doubt upon even articles from scientific journals

So at a stroke of a pen you disproved anything and everything written in scientific journals.

Need a hand?

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