Family alleges hospital staff ate potluck lunch as man died by suicide

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If I were 20 and had the knowledge and experience I have now there is no way in Hell I'd ever kill !myself.

He never had the chance to carouse the splendor of life.
 

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I don't know if we can qualify circumstances either. But it is a question we must wrestle with.

I only know my system of belief isn't tied to an angry god who judges and condemns so I feel unencumbered by a higher power to follow the rules set down by man with their limited understanding.

mental health is like the final frontier

we don't know much yet, it's in its infancy

the mind/the brain and it's functioning, it's chemical balances and imbalances are relatively new

one thing is for certain, the more we know and the better our understanding the more people can have a quality of existence which they wish to life for

losing those we love in an untimely manner is horrendous whether it be to a mental or physical illness
To be sure it has nothing whatsoever to do with any god. Only had something to do with a beautiful person who was hurting beyond what anyone could know. Anyways,,,
 

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To be sure it has nothing whatsoever to do with any god. Only had something to do with a beautiful person who was hurting beyond what anyone could know. Anyways,,,
and it always is that way

we are more accustomed to dealing with physical suffering and while that is hugely challenging, mental suffering is often not displayed...who can know... no one
 

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If I were 20 and had the knowledge and experience I have now there is no way in Hell I'd ever kill !myself.

He never had the chance to carouse the splendor of life.

If I were 20 and knew what I know now..........that could be dangerous!8O
 

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Should have ordered pizza

Possibly, I'm not quite sure how the "potluck lunch" contributed to it! I doubt like f**k if the victim really cared what they were having for lunch.

Seems a little unfair to me that the family lumps all the staff into this by pointing to a staff potluck lunch. Something about that that rubs me the wrong way. If the family wants to go nuclear on the investigation perhaps that can be open to a little family discovery, to see if the family had anything to do with his mental condition, causing him to be there in the first place.

Yeah, if he hadn't done it that day he may have done it the next or the day after!
 

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But the predominant argument for termination of life in cases of terminal illness is that the patient is of sound mind and utilizing reason to make their decision not to suffer. The lack of same is the cornerstone of mental illness.

That would depend on the nature of the mental illness. There are different kinds but people tend to lump them all together. Having a mental illness does not always mean a person cannot make rational decisions.
 

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That would depend on the nature of the mental illness. There are different kinds but people tend to lump them all together. Having a mental illness does not always mean a person cannot make rational decisions.

Everybody is a little crazy except for me and thee!
 

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What about Schizophrenia,Dissociative disorders, personality disorders, PTSD, to name some well known ones, but there are a host of rare and very strange mental conditions

What if there is no cure. They can suffer terribly and the some drugs used to treat symptoms cause all kinds of physical problem (kidney, liver issues)or they're simply sedatives and people end up like zombies. They do not enjoy a long life and some rarely enjoy any type of life.

If a person has lost all quality of life, hope for a better future because of lack of drugs that work, would that qualify for being allowed to ends ones life.


On a personal side note: I don't believe Depression is something that is cured per se. It's like cancer. It can go into remission but it can come back. It might require a life time of drugs and therapy. It doesn't come back all at once, so you know right away you're back in a depressed state. It can come back so slowly so insidiously that you are miserable without fulling comprehending how miserable.

Anxiety if also linked to depression. In that those who suffer from depresion often have anxiety and those who discover they have anxiety are also suffer from depression.

On a personal note: I have anxiety. I've had it long portion of my life. I know this now, because of the medication I'm on and how I feel normal now. I use to think I was just super shy. I thought my thoughts and feelings around new people, strangers, social situations was normal. I did not realize the toll those feelings and thoughts had on me, until I stopped having them. I didn't realize the extent of it.

I didn't realize how horrible my thoughts were and how incredibly unhappy I was UNTIL I started the medication for anxiety. This drug is used for depression and OCD.

Anxiety brings about OCD thoughts. I have very minor OCD actions and/or tics. Nothing that affects my quality of life and most people wouldn't notice them. Again, I thought that this was life. Normal. I'm now normal in my thoughts. I have quiet moments. If my doctor had dismissed me in his office that day and told me get more exercise, watch your diet better, etc I would never have known just how fvcked up my thoughts, actions, were. I would never have truly known how unhappy, how absolutely miserable I was. And it would have gotten worse and worse. I'm not suicidal. Depression can also cause people to make poor choices, dangerous choices, AND when their thought process is so muddled, and dark, and seething anything is possible.

It's hard to know whats going wrong in your head when your mind is involved. It's there to protect you and to hide certain things from you. Sometimes it takes over and you don't realize it until it's so advanced as to become the new normal. It's very scary. The price we pay for being unique individuals I guess.
 

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I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever been through treatment for depression and felt really grateful that they did not succeed in ending their life?

Now I wonder if anyone has any regrets for successfully ending their life for a treatable condition......oh, wait, too late.



Actually, I do. I tried committing suicide when I was 20 or 21 and didn't succeed. I was under the care of a psychiatrist and given medications to try to relieve the depression I was in. Even though I saw her once a week, I didn't feel like she was "getting it" - how I was feeling (no light at the end of the tunnel, completely hopeless, useless). So, after I don't know how many sessions, I simply thought - to hell with it. I'm not wanted or needed so why am I here? I took all my meds along with a mickey of (rum/rye??) can't remember. My roommate was almost never at home so I didn't expect her. Guess she showed up and realized immediately that something was wrong and called an ambulance. I survived and was really p'd that I did - initially.


Long story short, I'm still here and I thank God everyday that I didn't succeed. In retrospect, I was being very selfish - everything was all about me. Having said that, at the time, I just couldn't see any other way out.


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