Fallujah: the truth at last How the US murdered a city!!

[Just the Facts]

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There are still some US military installations in Saudi Arabia, but that's not the point.

True but unless I'm mistaken, and no one has corrected me thus far, there are far fewer troops than there were, and they are in the process of pulling out. You are correct, however, that that's not the point. The point is that there is not, and never was, by any stretch of the imagination, by any reasonable definition, a U.S. occupation of the Saudi Peninsula.

The point is that they were there in force when Osama bin Laden declared war on the US. Since then they have flattened Fallujah, another Muslim holy city.

Osama Bin Laden is a madman who declared war not only on the United States but the entire non-muslim world. The Saudi's don't need him to defend their policy decisions. OBL has no business deciding who should or should not be invited to set up bases in SA.
As for Falluja, when you use your places of worship as armouries, you get what's coming to you.

The US continues to provide security advice to the Saudi Royal family. The House of Saud continues to be propped up by both the policies of the US government and the money of US corporations, who oddly enough, have close ties to the Bush administration.

True, but relations have cooled off considerably since 9-11. Ties with SA are a neccessary evil for the time being. It would be nice if westerners would park their SUV's and be done with the ME altogether. Well, I can dream.

The house of Saud is propped up by money of many worldwide corporations, not just the U.S. The Bushes are oil people. The Saud's are oil people. It would be odd if the two had no ties.

 

[EagleSmack]

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There are still some US military installations in Saudi Arabia, but that's not the point. The point is that they were there in force when Osama bin Laden declared war on the US. Since then they have flattened Fallujah, another Muslim holy city.

The US continues to provide security advice to the Saudi Royal family. The House of Saud continues to be propped up by both the policies of the US government and the money of US corporations, who oddly enough, have close ties to the Bush administration.

Those are facts, Just the Facts. You can look 'em up, you can take 'em to the bank.

Fallujah... a Muslim Holy City. What makes Falluhah a Muslim Holy City? It was no more holy than most cities in Iraq.

But since you are trying to stir up lets talk about that. The terrorist laugh their butts off at this "holy place" talk. They use mosques as storage areas because they know the weakness of the west. The do all their military planning at hospitals, schools and mosques because they know we eventually will attack them and gullable people will say...

"LOOK... THE AMERICANS ATTACKED A MOSQUE!"

Like I said... they are counting on you Rev... you haven't let the terrorist down yet.

You must be proud.

 

[EagleSmack]

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There are still some US military installations in Saudi Arabia, but that's not the point. The point is that they were there in force when Osama bin Laden declared war on the US. Since then they have flattened Fallujah, another Muslim holy city.

The US continues to provide security advice to the Saudi Royal family. The House of Saud continues to be propped up by both the policies of the US government and the money of US corporations, who oddly enough, have close ties to the Bush administration.

Those are facts, Just the Facts. You can look 'em up, you can take 'em to the bank.

Money of US Corporations :roll: .... Saudis sit on the world's largest supply of oil.

Believe me little buddy... they do not need US Corporation cash. Unless you are talking about US Corporations buying oil. If that is what you mean then you are not speaking clearly or being deceptive again. Half truths you know?

 

[Reverend Blair]

True but unless I'm mistaken, and no one has corrected me thus far, there are far fewer troops than there were, and they are in the process of pulling out.

Largely because their presence was causing internal problems in Saudi Arabia...mostly by encouraging people to back extremists like bin Laden.

The point is that there is not, and never was, by any stretch of the imagination, by any reasonable definition, a U.S. occupation of the Saudi Peninsula.

A lot of Muslim's see it as an occupation...the infidels are on their holy land. It has always been been bin Laden's biggest complaint and was his biggest recruitment tool.

Osama Bin Laden is a madman who declared war not only on the United States but the entire non-muslim world.

Don't ever make the mistake of writing him off as a madman. He is, by all reputable accounts, intelligent, articulate, and educated. The fact that he's a religious zealot doesn't make him any wackier than that other extremely dangerous religious zealot, George Bush.

Osama's declaration of war was very much based on the foreign policies of western governments. As such, he has always seen the US as his main opponent. The others are allies of his enemies and/or smaller targets that can be used in the battle.

OBL has no business deciding who should or should not be invited to set up bases in SA.

He is very likely the biggest political figure in the Middle East. Whether you think it's his business or not, people listen to him.

As for Falluja, when you use your places of worship as armouries, you get what's coming to you.

Yeah, killing women and children and blowing up mosques and hospitals is going to win a lot of hearts and minds. What playbook is Bush using? "How to Win Battles and Lose Wars?"

True, but relations have cooled off considerably since 9-11.

Actually they were cooling off before that. The Saudis were pushing Bush to get out of Saudi Arabia because of the problems they were causing before Bush even came to office.

The house of Saud is propped up by money of many worldwide corporations, not just the U.S.

Actually, most of the oil pumped in Saudi Arabia is pumped by US companies. It has been been since the Rockefellers got into the international oil business.

 

[EagleSmack]

True but unless I'm mistaken, and no one has corrected me thus far, there are far fewer troops than there were, and they are in the process of pulling out.

Largely because their presence was causing internal problems in Saudi Arabia...mostly by encouraging people to back extremists like bin Laden.

The point is that there is not, and never was, by any stretch of the imagination, by any reasonable definition, a U.S. occupation of the Saudi Peninsula.

A lot of Muslim's see it as an occupation...the infidels are on their holy land. It has always been been bin Laden's biggest complaint and was his biggest recruitment tool.

Osama Bin Laden is a madman who declared war not only on the United States but the entire non-muslim world.

Don't ever make the mistake of writing him off as a madman. He is, by all reputable accounts, intelligent, articulate, and educated. The fact that he's a religious zealot doesn't make him any wackier than that other extremely dangerous religious zealot, George Bush.

Osama's declaration of war was very much based on the foreign policies of western governments. As such, he has always seen the US as his main opponent. The others are allies of his enemies and/or smaller targets that can be used in the battle.

OBL has no business deciding who should or should not be invited to set up bases in SA.

He is very likely the biggest political figure in the Middle East. Whether you think it's his business or not, people listen to him.

As for Falluja, when you use your places of worship as armouries, you get what's coming to you.

Yeah, killing women and children and blowing up mosques and hospitals is going to win a lot of hearts and minds. What playbook is Bush using? "How to Win Battles and Lose Wars?"

True, but relations have cooled off considerably since 9-11.

Actually they were cooling off before that. The Saudis were pushing Bush to get out of Saudi Arabia because of the problems they were causing before Bush even came to office.

The house of Saud is propped up by money of many worldwide corporations, not just the U.S.

Actually, most of the oil pumped in Saudi Arabia is pumped by US companies. It has been been since the Rockefellers got into the international oil business.

Well this post says it all. You admire Osama, you do Rev. You fail to see that it is his hate for the West and western ideals that he has declared war on. He also included women and children as legitimate targets... This is a quote from him...

"We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims. " -Osama Bin Laden 1998

Wow...

 

[mrmom2]

The play books on the net Rev it was written by Cheney and Wolfolwitz called the Project For A New American Century.Its all there in black and white. :idea:

 

[Reverend Blair]

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...and how many Muslim children had Israel and other supporters of the US killed by then?

Drop the bullshit about me admiring Osama bin Laden too, Eaglesmack...it's a lie and telling it shows you to be an intellectual coward. Writing him off as a madman is a mistake though. It's a large part of the reason that you were unable to capture him. He's outwitted you time and again. He knocked down a couple of your buildings. You can try to belittle him if you want, but the truth is that he has inflicted damage on you time and again and all you've been unable to capture him. When you belittle him, you are belittling yourself.

 

[EagleSmack]

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...and how many Muslim children had Israel and other supporters of the US killed by then?

Drop the bullshit about me admiring Osama bin Laden too, Eaglesmack...it's a lie and telling it shows you to be an intellectual coward. Writing him off as a madman is a mistake though. It's a large part of the reason that you were unable to capture him. He's outwitted you time and again. He knocked down a couple of your buildings. You can try to belittle him if you want, but the truth is that he has inflicted damage on you time and again and all you've been unable to capture him. When you belittle him, you are belittling yourself.

Osama is a regular Robin Hood to you isn't he.

The guy runs like a rat and hides in holes. He is one man hiding between two countries, so yes it is hard to find him. He may have hit us but at least he hasn't driven Bush into a hole.

But I suppose we got what we deserved on 9/11 right? Is that what you are saying?

Don't forget, he has killed a number of Canadians. I wonder how the families of Canadians who have lost loved ones at his hands feel about your posts.

 

[ElPolaco]

If you had all the troops you sent over to Iraq to carry out some PNAC agenda transfered to Afghanistan, you would've probably caught the guy by now.

 

[EagleSmack]

"If"
"Probably"
"would've"

Need I say more?

 

[Twila]

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-Aristotle

 

[mrmom2]

Ossama's family must love him very much .I just heard that his familys made 4 billion dollars on the Iraq war alone .They must be hoping the US attacks Syria or Iran that way they can make bucket loads of money building more bases for the US

 

[ElPolaco]

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But I suppose we got what we deserved on 9/11 right? Is that what you are saying?

Don't forget, he has killed a number of Canadians. I wonder how the families of Canadians who have lost loved ones at his hands feel about your posts.[/quote]


"I suppose"
"I wonder"
No thx, you've said enough.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Osama is a regular Robin Hood to you isn't he.

An outright lie by an outright liar.

But I suppose we got what we deserved on 9/11 right? Is that what you are saying?

I never said that, so you are obviously lying again.

You can quit lying now EagleSmack. You've been caught. Again.

 

[EagleSmack]

Osama is a regular Robin Hood to you isn't he.

An outright lie by an outright liar.

But I suppose we got what we deserved on 9/11 right? Is that what you are saying?

I never said that, so you are obviously lying again.

You can quit lying now EagleSmack. You've been caught. Again.

I asked a question. Do you see the punctuation? It looks like this :?: . That is called a question mark. So if I am asking a question, how can that be a lie?

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[Reverend Blair]

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You were trolling for a reaction, EagleSmack.

 

[Just the Facts]

Largely because their presence was causing internal problems in Saudi Arabia...mostly by encouraging people to back extremists like bin Laden.

So the Saudi's did ask them to leave?

A lot of Muslim's see it as an occupation...the infidels are on their holy land.

A lot of infidels say the same about the influx of Muslim's in Europe and Scandinavia. That doesn't make either of the parties right.

Don't ever make the mistake of writing him off as a madman. He is, by all reputable accounts, intelligent, articulate, and educated.

Fair enough, but I'm not writing him off. He's still a madman, though. I'm certainly not going to revere his intelligence.

The fact that he's a religious zealot doesn't make him any wackier than that other extremely dangerous religious zealot, George Bush.

sigh

Osama's declaration of war was very much based on the foreign policies of western governments.

Uh-huh. And the attack on Saddam was about the freedom of Iraqi people. Yeah, got it.

He is very likely the biggest political figure in the Middle East. Whether you think it's his business or not, people listen to him.

Absolutely correct.

Yeah, killing women and children and blowing up mosques and hospitals is going to win a lot of hearts and minds. What playbook is Bush using? "How to Win Battles and Lose Wars?"

They backed off entering Falluja the first time. The problem only festered and got worse, to the point were what happened happened. They tried to take the high road, the only result was that Al Qaeda couldn't believe their luck in having the city handed to them.

Actually they were cooling off before that. The Saudis were pushing Bush to get out of Saudi Arabia because of the problems they were causing before Bush even came to office.

But...but...

But you've been supporting a Saudi Royal family that won;t ask you to go.

Oh, nevermind.

 

[Reverend Blair]

So the Saudi's did ask them to leave?

Yes. Back at the end of the Clinton Administration...I believe it was during the transition period between the election and Bush moving into the White House.

It was part of reforms that the head Saudi Prince promised to bring in to address growing dissension among the Saudi people.

A lot of infidels say the same about the influx of Muslim's in Europe and Scandinavia. That doesn't make either of the parties right.

It isn't whether it's right or not, just that it's reality. To deny it and say, "They hate our freedoms," is not only disingenuous, but tends to raise resentments.

Fair enough, but I'm not writing him off. He's still a madman, though. I'm certainly not going to revere his intelligence.

It isn't a matter of reverence, it's a matter of respect. His religious dogma really isn't that far away from radical Christianity. The statements referring to him as a madman tend to make it seem like he's somehow inept. That clearly isn't the case.

Uh-huh. And the attack on Saddam was about the freedom of Iraqi people. Yeah, got it.

Whether you accept either statement or not, look how they have drawn supporters. Osama without support was just George Bush when he was back in Texas bankrupting companies...another rich kid living off daddy's money.

Absolutely correct.

Careful or EagleSmack will call you a terrorist. :wink:

They backed off entering Falluja the first time. The problem only festered and got worse, to the point were what happened happened. They tried to take the high road, the only result was that Al Qaeda couldn't believe their luck in having the city handed to them.

And we've seen the insurgency spread since Fallujah. Why not just keep the city contained?

But...but...

Oh, nevermind.

Sorry, I was less than clear. When Bush came to office, or likely before, an agreement was reached to reduce troops but not pull out completely. The remaining Americans, still on bases almost as large as when they were fully manned, remain a thorn in the side of those who want them gone. In addition American involvment in domestic Saudi security has increased and the US government has helped the House of Saud tighten their grip on power.

 

[EagleSmack]

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[EagleSmack]

Largely because their presence was causing internal problems in Saudi Arabia...mostly by encouraging people to back extremists like bin Laden.

So the Saudi's did ask them to leave?

A lot of Muslim's see it as an occupation...the infidels are on their holy land.

A lot of infidels say the same about the influx of Muslim's in Europe and Scandinavia. That doesn't make either of the parties right.

Don't ever make the mistake of writing him off as a madman. He is, by all reputable accounts, intelligent, articulate, and educated.

Fair enough, but I'm not writing him off. He's still a madman, though. I'm certainly not going to revere his intelligence.

The fact that he's a religious zealot doesn't make him any wackier than that other extremely dangerous religious zealot, George Bush.

sigh

Osama's declaration of war was very much based on the foreign policies of western governments.

Uh-huh. And the attack on Saddam was about the freedom of Iraqi people. Yeah, got it.

He is very likely the biggest political figure in the Middle East. Whether you think it's his business or not, people listen to him.

Absolutely correct.

Yeah, killing women and children and blowing up mosques and hospitals is going to win a lot of hearts and minds. What playbook is Bush using? "How to Win Battles and Lose Wars?"

They backed off entering Falluja the first time. The problem only festered and got worse, to the point were what happened happened. They tried to take the high road, the only result was that Al Qaeda couldn't believe their luck in having the city handed to them.

Actually they were cooling off before that. The Saudis were pushing Bush to get out of Saudi Arabia because of the problems they were causing before Bush even came to office.

But...but...

But you've been supporting a Saudi Royal family that won;t ask you to go.

Oh, nevermind.

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