Experts quiet climate-change skeptics: Warming leads to longer cold snaps

Tonington

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Looks like the rats have identified that the ship is sinking... Time to disembark I guess

Lol, this helps me understand why you won't admit you were wrong about the models claim. You're so dramatic! At least you're not all up in arms about the reputation system on this forum. There's help for you yet. :p
 

Tonington

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True dat. I'm a global warming sceptic myself, for reasons I've stated now and then. But most of the denial I've seen on this board is faith-based. Or possibly the result of failure to understand the difference between data, hypothesis, and theory.

Yes, I have no problems with genuine skeptics. That's healthy. As an example, many of the ice modellers expressed their skepticism in the ice-free Arctic by 2013. That's how science works, but most people in here have shown that they can't comprehend that.

Must be nice to be an expert in everything, without the associated costs of training and opportunity costs of focusing on a specialization.
 

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Lol, this helps me understand why you won't admit you were wrong about the models claim. You're so dramatic! At least you're not all up in arms about the reputation system on this forum. There's help for you yet. :p


All of the 'definitive' models as promoted by the UN/IPCC (and the ethical folk at East Anglia) have all fallen on their collective faces.

Really man, I get it and can respect your belief on this (or any) issue, but selling the scientific angle on AGW is just a bad joke considering it has been a horrible failure to date.
 

Tonington

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These bloody global warming loons need locking up. They are dangerous. Seriously.

Yeah, nobody in history has ever been wrong to lock up people with dissenting opinions. You're not in very good company there blackie. You either captain.
 

mentalfloss

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These bloody global warming loons need locking up. They are dangerous. Seriously.

When he's not preaching the daily dose of Churchill rhetoric on freedom over security, Blackleaf regularly endorses locking people up for not agreeing with him.

It's that camel brand of hypocrisy we should all be smoking.
 

Tonington

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All of the 'definitive' models as promoted by the UN/IPCC (and the ethical folk at East Anglia) have all fallen on their collective faces.

Ahhh, moving goal posts now. I'll remind you of what you said:
'Science' hasn't come close in any way, shape or form in being able to explain the past let alone the massive failure in predicting the future.

While it's entirely reasonable to expect that all things (humanity incl) has an impact via it's contributions, 'science' has called it wrong on this file each and every time to date.

I've given many examples of models being proven correct by later observational data, including the cooling stratosphere, the decreasing diurnal temperature trend, the polar amplification of global warming, the temperature impacts of large volcanoes like Mount Pinatubo, even the height of the tropopause. There is a very long list of predictions that models have made which have become true.

I for one, don't put much stock in a model that predicts a specific value for some parameter, at some point in the future. The system has too much variability to be very accurate. However, predicting phenomena is a different story. That is based purely on the physics of the system, and so the stochastic-ie. random- nature of reality does not have the same impact as it will on say the global temperature in 2022, or the minimum sea ice extent in the Arctic for the year 2013.

The difference is, I'm very comfortable with uncertainty. I'm comfortable that 15 years of a flat line drawn from one massive El nino year to the present is not likely to be indicative of the true signal in the climate system.

To deny this is to stick your head in the sand, because the information is out there, readily available, and it's been posted here multiple times.

1) Michael Mann
2) East Anglia
3) IPCC
and who could possibly forget:
4) Al Gore

To you sir - "Physician, heal thyself "

1) Cleared of misconduct and fraud.
2) Ibid.
3) Agreed upon by every nation on earth before publishing.
4) Politician.

Yes, lock them up for having different opinions. That's not fascist at all.:roll:
 

darkbeaver

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Global ocean heat and salt content



You're welcome. :D

Thank you very much. (about 0.1 degree Fahrenheit (0.055 degree Celsius) in the past 30-50 years)http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Water/temp.html

 
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captain morgan

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Ahhh, moving goal posts now. I'll remind you of what you said:

Everything in those quotes are accurate as far as I'm concerned.

As far as the flimsy suggestion of 'moving the goal posts' is concerned, the statement in which that comment was directed is also true.

If you choose to be willfully ignorant on this issue, that is your decision, but don't hand me this horse sh*t that you're attempting to peddle today

1) Cleared of misconduct and fraud.

Convicted in the court of public opinion.

Also, leaked emails remain floating around today... They are no longer considered a trustworthy source for anything


Getting his a$$ handed to him in court.. Refuses to prove his position.

Another that is convicted in the court of public opinion and shamed in his profession

3) Agreed upon by every nation on earth before publishing.

All based on flawed if not fraudulent info. That comment supports my position and negates yours

Has it dawned on you yet why no nations are presently up to speed on the program?

Think about it

4) Politician.

So what?

Yes, lock them up for having different opinions. That's not fascist at all.:roll:

Drama Queen
 
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darkbeaver

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"Although our analysis suggests it's unlikely, it's always possible that the giant polynya will manage to reappear in the next century," Galbraith adds. "If it does, it will release decades-worth of heat and carbon from the deep ocean to the atmosphere in a pulse of warming."

Read more at: Global warming felt to deepest reaches of ocean

Funny as hell, heat that refuses to rise and hides in the deepest recesses of the oceans waiting for unsuspecting whalers with a pulse of devastating heat, oh and deadly carbon.

Impressive NOAA Data Tampering In Michigan
 

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I lloved the article blaming weather on global warming. Any chance the magnetosphere took a pounding this winter? As mentioned in the article posted by Sherman and touted by Peabody melting ice impacts the jet streams while the interaction of the earth and sun do nothinv with jet streams.unless.....
 

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I lloved the article blaming weather on global warming. Any chance the magnetosphere took a pounding this winter? As mentioned in the article posted by Sherman and touted by Peabody melting ice impacts the jet streams while the interaction of the earth and sun do nothing to do with jet streams.unless.....
Well, I suppose we could blame it on Obama, like everything else.