Executing Gays is A-OK: United Nations

[FiveParadox]

The United Nations has, in the preamble of its own charter, a plea with member nations to respect human rights. The fact that the body has now departed so clearly from this philosophy is evidence enough that this organisation no longer serves any useful purpose other than, perhaps, a chatroom between countries. Any nation who supported this disgusting amendment should be viciously condemned, and the United Nations as an organisation deserves every bit of ridicule that comes its way.

I must beg the question, though: How can we encourage other nations to recognise the equal rights of their gay and lesbian citizens, while respecting the sovereignty of those nations? Is that even possible? I would argue very much that we should focus our efforts on the countries of the Commonwealth of Nations, as arbitrary as that may seem, so that the Commonwealth can act as a consolidated block of nations in convincing others.

 

[Colpy]

The United Nations has, in the preamble of its own charter, a plea with member nations to respect human rights. The fact that the body has now departed so clearly from this philosophy is evidence enough that this organisation no longer serves any useful purpose other than, perhaps, a chatroom between countries. Any nation who supported this disgusting amendment should be viciously condemned, and the United Nations as an organisation deserves every bit of ridicule that comes its way.

I must beg the question, though: How can we encourage other nations to recognise the equal rights of their gay and lesbian citizens, while respecting the sovereignty of those nations? Is that even possible? I would argue very much that we should focus our efforts on the countries of the Commonwealth of Nations, as arbitrary as that may seem, so that the Commonwealth can act as a consolidated block of nations in convincing others.

There is a giant step between not condoning the execution of homosexuals and the extension of equal rights to the homosexual community........and there is probably a small step between what you would consider equal rights for homosexuals, and my opinion on the matter.

Step one is ending the toleration of execution of homosexuals for their sexuality anywhere in the world. Obviously, that is going to be difficult enough.

Step two is ending the use of criminal sanction for homosexual acts between two consenting adults throughout the world. As admirable as that aim is, it will not happen in our lifetime, it will not happen as long as Islam is on the ascendancy, it may never happen.

Step three is some recognition of homosexual relationships in law, for survivor benefits, spousal rights, etc. Best concentrate on the west.......to me the achievements here are full equality for homosexuals.

 

[FiveParadox]

I consider gays and lesbians in Canada to be entirely equal before the law, including in regard to institutions such as civil marriage. I think that the LGBT community in Canada is among the most fortunate in the world to have such a tolerant society; even our Conservative Party of Canada is not as radically foaming-at-the-mouth anti-homosexual as are some Christian and Islamic fundamentalist faiths (and their many offshoots) throughout the rest of the world. It is situations such as this United Nations vote, though, that demonstrate that rights can be removed just as easily as they're granted, at least on the international stage. In Canada, I think that the rights of the LGBT community are much more entrenched.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You really have to look at the body of Countries that have been allowed to sit in the United Nations. This is a bi-product of tolerating the intolerable and looking the other way in all their other abuses. Too often concessions are made in the department human rights issues in the UN and so this should come as no great surprise. Forward thinking Countries like Canada, the USA, France and Britain should all be walking away from the UN, but it is easier to ignore the issues of these despot knuckle dragging countries because we don't want to look like we are not embracing their distinct difference.

Hogwash is what it is. It's easier to be silent on issues like this and criticize the easy targets like the USA or Israel because they won't burn down half your Country if you make a cartoon about their prophet or criticize the fact that they treat women like cattle.

The UN is a bureacracy of corruption and is chock full of dictators. It has outlived its usefulness to the world and should be disbanded.

 

[10larry]

They most certainly march to the West's gun. Who is afraid of a drum?

Afghani's have to notice the u.s. gun yet still resist marching to the u.s. tune, u.s. nation building has not mitigated ideological differences it has fortified them.

Little doubt the uns best before date is long past, a international group that gives credence to nations that stifle free speech yet come to the un demanding to be heard. The gay rights movement even in the u.s. has it's ups and downs such as californias prop 8 where the ssm battle has the courts embroiled. It's only over a paper contract though and nothing as dramatic as execution however it does indicate pretty deep division on the issue. .
The u.s. can and will sort this out one way or the other being a reasonabling democratic nation but some other nations are not quite as tolerant as witnessed by the un vote.
Canucks motivated to protest this un vote can strike cuba off any contemplated winter escape destination list for they sided with saudi arabia on this issue, mexico maybe?

 

[Bar Sinister]

There is a giant step between not condoning the execution of homosexuals and the extension of equal rights to the homosexual community........and there is probably a small step between what you would consider equal rights for homosexuals, and my opinion on the matter.

Step one is ending the toleration of execution of homosexuals for their sexuality anywhere in the world. Obviously, that is going to be difficult enough.

Step two is ending the use of criminal sanction for homosexual acts between two consenting adults throughout the world. As admirable as that aim is, it will not happen in our lifetime, it will not happen as long as Islam is on the ascendancy, it may never happen.

Step three is some recognition of homosexual relationships in law, for survivor benefits, spousal rights, etc. Best concentrate on the west.......to me the achievements here are full equality for homosexuals.

Can't say I disagree with much of this post. However I do have a question. What makes you think Islam is ascendant? So far as i can determine the brutal acts generated by radical Islam are caused by the fact that most Muslims worldwide are becoming more and more secular. You only have to visit countries like Morocco, Turkey, or Egypt to note that Islam is on the defensive in those states. You can expect this to become more and more common as living standards in Muslim states continue to rise and Muslims begin to pay the sort of lip service to their religion typical of most Christians.

 

[CDNBear]

In an absolutely abhorrent move, the General Assembly of the United Nations has voted to remove being gay as a reason to condemn executions. The condemnation has included homosexuality for the last ten years, but the Kingdom of Morocco moved an amendment removing any references to gays, and the amendment passed by 9 votes: 79-70, with ten abstentions. Particularly shocking, though, is the fact that FIVE of those countries favouring the amendment were Realms of the Commonwealth of Nations, with our same shared constitutional monarchy, and there were FIVE Commonwealth Realms who abstained or just weren't there. And remember, these are just the Realms--there were many other Commonwealth countries who no longer have Her Majesty as head of State, who favoured the amendment, too.

Commonwealth nations should seek to be an example to the world, and particularly the Realms; we should feverishly condemn the Commonwealth of the Bahamas, Jamaica, Saint Christopher and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines for having voted clearly contrary to the purpose and interests of the Commonwealth. We should also condemn Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, the Independent State of Papua New Guinea, and Tuvalu, for having stood on the fence, and where the heck were the Solomon Islands?

This is unacceptable.

And for the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan to have favoured the amendment, too--when they seek our help in restoring order and protecting human rights--is a complete joke, not to mention the decision of the Republic of Haïti to do the same. I encourage members to communicate outrage with The Honourable Lawrence Cannon P.C., M.P. (Pontiac), the Minister of Foreign Affairs, your honourable senators and members of the House of Commons, and even the governments of the above nations. One step forward, two steps back, it would seem.

Who can you contact?

• The Hon. Lawrence Cannon
  • ph 1 (613) 992-5516
  • em send the minister an e-mail
• Members of the Senate (current senators)
• Members of the House of Commons (current members)

Sources

• The National Post: homepage / The United Nations of homophobia
• Slap Upside the Head: homepage / UN Removes Gays From Execution Protections

Paradox, I've been telling you and Vile this for years. Islam wants you dead and the UN is a waste of time. Every time you two defend them, you bring yourselves one step closer to meeting God or Allah face to face.

Why are you suddenly shocked?

What would expect from a nation that was founded on terrorism?

Since the US voted against it, I guess that's about what I expected.

I'm amazed at the number of Canadians who support those imperialist war mongers, but hey! That is what makes Canada great.

What makes Canada great, is the fact that you can have that silly opinion, and not be afraid to look stupid or be shot for saying.

As for executing gays being OK with the UN, we gotta long way to go, baby. I guess the world is not as civilized as we thought.

And yet the imperialist war mongers voted against it, go figure, they're more civilized then the bulk of the world.

No. We have much more to fear from the retarded adolescents with bloody big guns living next door than we do from all the other retarded adolescent nations living in the rest of the norther hemisphere.

Really? When was the last time the US rattled their sabers at us?

I responded to someone who brought up the U.S, and you're right Canada has historically been in favour of the USA's evil and corrupt activities.

Vietnam and Iraq would seem to make that statement pretty stupid. But that's not all that surprising really.

Lmao. How do you still believe that?

Because you can be gay in the US and not fear state sponsored execution for it.

I could understand if you were a misguided teenager still learning about the world, but you aren't.

This comment would indicate that you're trying to relate from your present perspective.

 

[s_lone]

As much as I am disgusted by this recent vote of the United Nations, I won't go so far as saying the UN should be no more. Ever heard of throwing out the baby with the bathwater? There are bound to be a few steps backwards in the history of any institution.

Quebec was the last Canadian province to grant women the right to vote (in 1940) because of the patriarchal and religious backwardness that lingered on a little too long. Would that have been a reason for the rest of Canada to call for the dismantlement of the Quebec government in 1935? It was only a question of time before the feminist movement took Quebec by the guts and everything changed very quickly in the 60s.

My point here is that yeah, we have to freakin deal with the fact the rest of the world isn't necessarily in tune with our moral standards. Morality isn't something that can be force fed. But by leading by example and with a little patience, I think we can be surprised how much of the world can evolve in the years and decades to come when it comes to tolerance.

That being said, we must clearly address these homophobic nations and express our concern. I'd even go as far as suggesting that we should tell them we are not interested in doing commercial exchanges with people who are willing to violate basic human rights. But that would require an authenticity and integrity from our political leaders that I fear is lacking.

 

[CDNBear]

As much as I am disgusted by this recent vote of the United Nations, I won't go so far as saying the UN should be no more. Ever heard of throwing out the baby with the bathwater? There are bound to be a few steps backwards in the history of any institution.

A few steps?

The passing of this amendment is stepping back to the stone age of human rights.

Quebec was the last Canadian province to grant women the right to vote (in 1940) because of the patriarchal and religious backwardness that lingered on a little too long. Would that have been a reason for the rest of Canada to call for the dismantlement of the Quebec government in 1935? It was only a question of time before the feminist movement took Quebec by the guts and everything changed very quickly in the 60s.

It would be, if Quebec reversed that policy today.

My point here is that yeah, we have to freakin deal with the fact the rest of the world isn't necessarily in tune with our moral standards. Morality isn't something that can be force fed. But by leading by example and with a little patience, I think we can be surprised how much of the world can evolve in the years and decades to come when it comes to tolerance.

I agree with you here, completely. But we aren't talking about a brand new concept here. It was against UN charter to execute someone for their sexuality. The UN allowed a vote to take place, that was against the UN charter to begin with. Then to actually pass the amendment, that's just more icing on the cake of stupidity at the UN.

That being said, we must clearly address these homophobic nations and express our concern. I'd even go as far as suggesting that we should tell them we are not interested in doing commercial exchanges with people who are willing to violate basic human rights.

How about when some stone age Islamic country tries to bring this shyte to a vote, they get told to stfu.

But that would require an authenticity and integrity from our political leaders that I fear is lacking.

Likewise for UN leaders that allow this crap to go to a vote, let alone allowed to become an actual amendment.

 

[In Between Man]

Update!

UN restores gay clause to killings resolution