Excellent book which answers all the controversies on Shri Sathya Sai Baba

Cliffy

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Now the Dattaswami is a Holiness. Self aggrandizing or what? You are just another evangelistic blowhard trying to exploit the gullible. Go spam some other forum.
 

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And why should it be diffrent from the muslim propaganda spam that we sometimes get here from from other members?????
There is only one Muslim spamming us and he does not claim to be a Holiness. Dattaswami has been told a dozen times to stop starting new threads about the same subject by the mods. He has a thread of his own.
 

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There is only one Muslim spamming us and he does not claim to be a Holiness. Dattaswami has been told a dozen times to stop starting new threads about the same subject by the mods. He has a thread of his own.

You discuss with enassir but slam the swami........that's hardly equal treatement:lol:
 

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You discuss with enassir but slam the swami........that's hardly equal treatement:lol:
I have questioned both their reasonings on many occasions and slammed them both, but I do admit that I have a little more of a problem with a self proclaimed Holy person. A truly holy person would not go around blowing their own horn the way this guy does.
 

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Baba ORiley? I love Quadrophenia.

Out here in the fields
I fight for my meals
I get my back into my living
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven

Don't cry
Don't raise your eye
It's only teenage wasteland

Sally ,take my hand
Travel south crossland
Put out the fire
Don't look past my shoulder
The exodus is here
The happy ones are near
Let's get together
Before we get much older

Teenage wasteland
It's only teenage wasteland
Teenage wasteland
Oh, oh
Teenage wasteland
They're all wasted!
 

petros

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A freak of nature and a spiritual abomination if ever there was one.

I am God. And you too are God. The only difference between you and Me is that while I am aware of it, you are completely unaware.”

I bet Sai Baba doesn't know how to ride a bicycle.
 

Cliffy

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But....but...he has a black aura - or did his brains explode?

A real guru would tell everybody to go and find their own way to god.

Besides, I'm god and there is no difference between you and me.
 

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I have questioned both their reasonings on many occasions and slammed them both, but I do admit that I have a little more of a problem with a self proclaimed Holy person. A truly holy person would not go around blowing their own horn the way this guy does.
People mistake God in human form as ordinary being

When God comes in the human form, that itself starts illusion in your mind. You will mistake the Lord as an ordinary co-human being since you are affected by the common properties of the external human medium. The birth, growth, illness, thirst, hunger, other qualities like worldly desires and final death confuse you to recognize the Lord. You must separate the inner permanent soul from the external human body since all the above mentioned properties do not touch the soul. Therefore, the Lord started Gita with such separation in the second chapter, which is the beginning of Gita. If you are able to separate the soul and body, you will be easily separating the super soul or God from the body in the human incarnation. At the same time, you should separate the soul and God also so that you will not mistake the soul existing in every human body as God.
 

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People mistake God in human form as ordinary being

When God comes in the human form, that itself starts illusion in your mind. You will mistake the Lord as an ordinary co-human being since you are affected by the common properties of the external human medium. The birth, growth, illness, thirst, hunger, other qualities like worldly desires and final death confuse you to recognize the Lord. You must separate the inner permanent soul from the external human body since all the above mentioned properties do not touch the soul. Therefore, the Lord started Gita with such separation in the second chapter, which is the beginning of Gita. If you are able to separate the soul and body, you will be easily separating the super soul or God from the body in the human incarnation. At the same time, you should separate the soul and God also so that you will not mistake the soul existing in every human body as God.
I don't have a problem with that. I believe there are many layers of souls, each higher than the next until you reach divinity. The only one we need concern ourselves with is our own soul, as it is the link to the divine, the seat of wisdom that resides in the heart.

I have a problem with someone who sets himself up as "his Holiness". Who gave you that title and what did you do to earn it?
 

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I don't have a problem with that. I believe there are many layers of souls, each higher than the next until you reach divinity. The only one we need concern ourselves with is our own soul, as it is the link to the divine, the seat of wisdom that resides in the heart.

I have a problem with someone who sets himself up as "his Holiness". Who gave you that title and what did you do to earn it?

From my side, I never declared that I am the human incarnation. I gave the spiritual knowledge. The devotees started telling that it is very special and never heard or present in any book. They started calling Me as Datta. Some of the devotees were pressing Me to show the miracles which were spontaneously expressed. Therefore, I stated that Datta possessed Me and gave this knowledge and also showed miracles. What is wrong in my statement? because this is the concept of any human incarnation. Gita says that God possess a human body for His divine mission. I did not believe or declare simply based on the words of devotees unless I had my own proof since I am basically a scientist. Science never denies the practical proof and it gives a logical explanation of any truth.

Such logical explanation coincides with scriptures and therefore the truth is constitutionally valid. When the devotees raised some points believing Me as human incarnation, I answered those points assuming that I am a human incarnation, because such points relate to any human incarnation in general. The answers are valid whether I am the human incarnation or not. Devotees have repeatedly stated that My knowledge is special and wonderful. This statement of devotees is the basis on which I developed the subsequent analysis. The special and wonderful knowledge can be given only by God as per Veda and Gita. This means that God entered my self and is speaking. When God enters the human body, that is the human incarnation as stated by Gita and Bible (Manusheem Tanum, God in flesh).

This does not mean that God has become the human body. God is in the human body. The concept of human incarnation is only this much. Such God given through human body to the devotees is called as Datta. This concept of double personality pacifies the jealousy of even higher devotees. They accept this and their jealousy is pacified. Even such higher devotees cannot tolerate if I say that I am the God. Even though Krishna told Arjuna that He is God, He also told in Gita that the God entered human body (Manusheem Tanumaasritam) and also clearly stated that God has not become the human body (Avyaktam Vyakti…). This means that the God present in the body of Krishna spoke “I am God” and this statement is not uttered by Krishna.

Arjuna was higher but not highest devotee. Gopikas were highest devotees, who believed that Krishna is God, who came down directly to the earth. Krishna made their belief become true because for them God pervaded all over the three bodies including the external gross body. God super imposed (Adhyasa of Sankara) Himself on the gross body as a human being super imposes His self on the gross body. In the case of God the super imposition is with knowledge due to necessity and in the case of human being the super imposition is due to ignorance. For them there is no need of any clarification and hence no need of Gita. But if that concept is revealed to Arjuna, Arjuna will totally reject it because he was a higher devotee and not the highest devotee.

The highest devotee is only one in millions. Higher devotees are many like Arjuna. Therefore, Gita is Universal and is not necessary for Gopikas. When Uddhava tried to preach the concept of this dual personality (God as possessor and the human being as possessed), Gopikas rejected him totally. Even this clarification does not pacify the jealousy of some people because they cannot tolerate even the presence of God in a particular human body only. They want the presence of God in their bodies also. This is the highest degree of jealousy. Since such highest jealousy is a common point to every human being, the Advaiti revolts against the human incarnation by generalizing that God is in every human body and gets the support of majority. This is the revolution and the formation of the union of people, who feel that they were suppressed.

This is communism revolting against capitalism. This is politics in philosophy. This is a special situation because philosophy enters every subject. The degree of philosophy (Ph.d.) can be taken in any subject. Therefore, you have philosophy in politics which is general and normal. Even though I also felt that this knowledge is wonderful, I never said it because it will be misunderstood by the ignorant people as self praise. Therefore, if the devotees stated this and if their statement is correct, there is no doubt that I am the human incarnation based on the concept of at least this dual personality as per the analysis related to higher level of devotees.

Such analysis can be extended even to the highest devotees, which prevents them from falling down to the higher level from their highest level. This concept of dual personality will at least fix the devotee to the higher level preventing from further fall. The people who fall down from this higher level also, believe God but not the human incarnation. They say that either no human being is God or every human being is God. Either the concept is totally rejected or is extended to every body. Let no body be rich or let every body be rich. There should not be one richest person. They hate the richest person and gradually they hate even any richer person. They want equality of every human being.

This is good in economics or sociology (Pravrutti). But the subject of spirituality (Nivrutti) is completely opposite to the subjects of the world (Durmeti Viparite Vishuchi--Veda). Sankara had to act like a communist even in the spirituality because in that time the country was filled with atheists of communist-psychology in pravrutti and for them Nivrutti was totally absent. Hanuman is also an incarnation of Siva like Sankara, but he followed the extreme capitalism in spirituality, which is quite opposite as said in Veda. The spiritual knowledge was given by Krishna to Arjuna, when Arjuna fell down on the feet of Krishna with complete surrender as a servant. Krishna said that one should become servant of Guru before receiving the spiritual knowledge (Tat Viddhi Pranipatena….).