Everybody Draw Mohammed Day

[Colpy]

That should go over well with the locals in Afghanistan. Maybe the local troops could set up a Draw Muhammad day and post all the contestants on the wall outside the base?

I'm all for freedom of speech on the legal front, but on the cultural front, it just shows lack of respect and maturity, and on the national security front, it literally puts our hearts and minds campaigns in Afghanistan at risk. Seeing that the troops are already at risk, clearly promoting more possible antagonism is not the way to support our troops.



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I agree. However, that's no reason to offend just for the sake of offending either.

I don't believe in the Mormon faith, but i'm not going to go out of my way to purposefully try to offend Mormons. That would just be immature and disrespectful.

I agree, you should not go out of your way to offend other religions.....and if Mohammedans were not trying to stifle free speech with threats of violence, I would never advocate putting this stuff in their face for no particular reason.....but every fair comment IS greeted with not only threats, but acts of violence....and we can not back down in the face of threats.

If our troops wanted to have a Draw Mohammed Day, fine....if somewhat suicidal....I'm not trying to force anyone to draw Mohammed.......and there lies the difference. Islam IS trying to force me NOT to draw Mohammed.

****'em.

 

[Machjo]

Islam IS trying to force me NOT to draw Mohammed.

****'em.

Not Islam, but fanatical Muslims. So you will choose to offend moderate Muslims so as to teach radical Muslims a lesson? You've just dropped halfway down to their level... OK, not quite half way (murdering people is quite far down there compared to drawing an offensive image), but you've dropped a notch towards their level none-the-less.

Why not hold the moral high ground and not engage in unnecessary provocation?

 

[YukonJack]

Machjo, I can not understand why Muslims think that an image of The Prophet is offensive. People see and imagine the Diety in different ways. (Well, at least those who believe). How can a child have a perception of God/Allah if he/she is not allowed to view and have a perception of the messenger?

In art of previous centuries, Jesus has been portrayed in various ways, depending on the preconceived view of Him by the artist. Unless it was done in a totally offensive way (only recently, by disrespectful atheist liberal jerks) nobody took offense.

So, why are Muslims so sensitive? Any answers?

 

[Machjo]

There's a difference between standing your ground and provoking a group unnecessarily.

Machjo, I can not understand why Muslims think that an image of The Prophet is offensive. People see and imagine the Diety in different ways. (Well, at least those who believe). How can a child have a perception of God/Allah if he/she is not allowed to view the messenger?

In art of previous centuries, Jesus has been portrayed in various ways, depending on the preconceived view of Him by the artist. Unless it was done in a totally offensive way (only recently, by disrespectful atheist liberal jerks) nobody took offense.

So, why are Muslims so sensitive? eanassir? Any answers?

Islam prohibits the making of any image of any of the Prophets of God so as to prevent idolatry of those images. That said, Muslims are inconsistent, as per their own scriptures, in being so emotional about images of Muhammad and not about images of Christ. If they were a little more consistent, those responsible for violence over this issue would be blowing up Churches left right and centre for harbouring images of Christ.

But then if they were even more consistent, they simply would not be engaging in such creations themselves and leave it up to others to do as they wish on that front. After all, the Qur'an itself says 'Let there be no compulsion in religion'.

Another point of inconsistency is that clearly an intentionally offensive image of Muhammad is not likely to be worshiped anyway, so why would they fear that such an image would ever be worshiped? Sacrilegious and offensive? Yes. A risk of idolatry and worthy of murder? Hardly.

 

[Ron in Regina]

If something like this:

or:

or even this (using Mormon's as an example):

Doesn't lead to calls for boycotts or holy wars or death to cartoonists,
then what are these other Religions missing that this other one isn't.

Maybe it's not Muslims in general or the Religion itself though. I can't
recall any Radical Extremist (I hate the previous word for its overuse on
this Forum) Fundamental Mormons though...

What would a Radical Extremist Fundamental Mormon do anyway?
Ring my doorbell after 8pm? Leave two pamphlets in my mailbox?

 

[Just the Facts]

There's a difference between standing your ground and provoking a group unnecessarily.

Islam prohibits the making of any image of any of the Prophets of God so as to prevent idolatry of those images.

Exactly right. EDMD was not an unneccessary provocation, but an assertion that WE are not ruled by Islamic law. Islamic countries are free to censor South Park all they want, but in America one has the right to draw Mohammad if one so chooses, and should not be subject to death threats for choosing to do so. That was the point....not to offend wantonly, but to resist being offended. What I'm essentially hearing in opposition to EDMD is that we should respect their right to threaten us with death for exercising our rights. In our society, having to censor onesself out of fear, is offensive.

That said, Muslims are inconsistent, as per their own scriptures, in being so emotional about images of Muhammad and not about images of Christ. If they were a little more consistent, those responsible for violence over this issue would be blowing up Churches left right and centre for harbouring images of Christ.

:-? They ARE blowing up churches left right and centre.

 

[Machjo]

Exactly right. EDMD was not an unneccessary provocation, but an assertion that WE are not ruled by Islamic law. Islamic countries are free to censor South Park all they want, but in America one has the right to draw Mohammad if one so chooses, and should not be subject to death threats for choosing to do so. That was the point....not to offend wantonly, but to resist being offended. What I'm essentially hearing in opposition to EDMD is that we should respect their right to threaten us with death for exercising our rights. In our society, having to censor onesself out of fear, is offensive.

So the way to prove our freedom of expression is to insult another religion?

:-? They ARE blowing up churches left right and centre.

Examples?

 

[Ron in Regina]

:-? They ARE blowing up churches left right and centre.

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Examples?

mosque = church ??? in the statement above???

 

[petros]

How many know that this no images of Moe is a fairly recent one and doesn't apply to all of Islam?

:???: They ARE blowing up churches left right and centre.

Have you ever seen some of the churches that Saddam built? Niiiiiice!

 

[Liberalman]

WOW Right on the lips

I guess it's good that the Pope isn't French

 

[Just the Facts]

So the way to prove our freedom of expression is to insult another religion?

In this case, yes, definitely. Why wasn't the Buddha snorting coke censored? They make fun of Jesus regularly, but it's never censoered, why? They depicted Muhammad several years ago and nothing happened. Now suddenly it's an international outrage that needs to be censored. Why? It's not about depicting Mo, it's about seeing to it that we bow to Islamic law. EDMD is about saying no.

Examples?

I'll find them for you....particularly in Egypt and Kosovo, but Iraq and elsewhere also are quite active (not specifically because of motoons).

WOW Right on the lips

I guess it's good that the Pope isn't French

You girlfriend must be very frustrated. :lol:

 

[petros]

They make fun of Jesus regularly, but it's never censoered, why?

Who does? Christians? Muzzies? Heebs? Sikhs?

 

[Just the Facts]

Who does? Christians? Muzzies? Heebs? Sikhs?

South Park.

You boyfriend must be frustrated

Yup. If I had one lol

 

[eanassir]

In this case, yes, definitely. Why wasn't the Buddha snorting coke censored? They make fun of Jesus regularly, but it's never censoered, why? They depicted Muhammad several years ago and nothing happened. Now suddenly it's an international outrage that needs to be censored. Why? It's not about depicting Mo, it's about seeing to it that we bow to Islamic law. EDMD is about saying no.

I'll find them for you....particularly in Egypt and Kosovo, but Iraq and elsewhere also are quite active (not specifically because of motoons).

The Israelites mocked Moses before, and he was the apostle of God to them and to Pharaoh.

So why such disobedient stubborn people mock their prophet who saved them from the slavery of Pharaoh, then they disobeyed him and disobeyed God Almighty by disobeying His apostle.
Their Rebellion against Their Prophet

One of them Korah rebelled against Moses, and wanted himself to be the chief instead of Moses God's apostle.

Moreover, they disregarded Prophet Aaron and disobeyed him in the absence of Moses, and were about to kill him.

Therefore, people such as these who dare transgressing on their apostles, why shouldn't they mock the Arab prophet, while their hatred to the Arab and their prophet is so obvious.

Moreover, they dare deny God Almighty they are the origin of all the atheism; many atheists and leaders to atheism and opposing God Almighty came out of the Israelites (like Darwin and Marx).

In the past, they killed many apostles like Prophet Zacharia.

One of their women: a dancer, demanded the killing of John Baptist, while he was innocent of any crime, but only invited people to piety and God-fearing.

 

[Icarus27k]

I have a question in regards to South Park portraying Mohammed, some group getting angry over it, and then somebody else getting angry over that and creating Draw Muhammed Day.

Why?

 

[YukonJack]

Knowing that Islam and logic are mutually exclusive, I would like to ask the atheists who claim to know everything about every religion or, failing that, the devout Muslims: What the Heck is so wrong about portraying the Prophet in a respectable way?

 

[Icarus27k]

I mean, the only thing I'm angered and offended by is South Park's depiction of South Park. I guess the movie was pretty funny. I guess.

 

[eanassir]

See my reply #39 to know who is behind all this ridicule of God's apostle,
(they are the poeple who do not believe in Jesus and in Mohammed and ridicule even their prophet Moses)
and they ridicule all God's apostles who are the leaders of humanity to every virtue, to the worshipping of God alone and obeying His Ten Commandments.

 

[petros]

Why? It depends who is in power at the time. No different than here when a Catholic is PM or a Protestant or other is PM.

 

[In Between Man]

See my reply #39 to know who is behind all this ridicule of God's apostle,
(they are the poeple who do not believe in Jesus and in Mohammed and ridicule even their prophet Moses)
and they ridicule all God's apostles who are the leaders of humanity to every virtue, to the worshipping of God alone and obeying His Ten Commandments.

Mohammed deserves to ridiculed along side all other faces of unbelief. He wasn't a prophet of God but a man who only gained popularity through military conquests. God didn't break into history as a conquering hero, but rather a suffering servant.