euthanizing squirrels?

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Tonington said:
Introduced. I read something this week about a Zoo releasing the prolific animals when the living quarters became too cramped, though I'm not certain that is the case. In most instances of foreign species, there are usually many stories about how the animals arrived.
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Introduced. Well yeah doesn't it just figure then. We screw around with the natural order of things and then want to kill everything off that we produced via the mess up.
 
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My opinion is that if at all possible, we should try to mitigate any of our blunders. I'm taking aquaculture at school, and that's a real problem in the industry. Growing exotic species, and the inevitable escape. There are methods to neutralize this problem, but as you might imagine, they aren't cheap.
 
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Tonington said:
My opinion is that if at all possible, we should try to mitigate any of our blunders. I'm taking aquaculture at school, and that's a real problem in the industry. Growing exotic species, and the inevitable escape. There are methods to neutralize this problem, but as you might imagine, they aren't cheap.
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Have you seen the flying carp on the Mississippi? Apparently Asian carp got into the river when Huricaine Katrina flooded their pens. Not far from here, there have been sightings of a large black cougar-like cat - presumed to be a panther released when tuberculosis ravaged an exotic cat ranch in the vicinity.

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Philo Cojones said:
So Firefighters should never try to put out fires, because it might make them worse? I don't see how culling a large amount of an introduced species is going to have a negative effect on the environment... the only negative effect might be on the emotional state of people who fail to see the bigger picture.



Obviously.
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dude. the important word is metaphor. I am saying that in previous situations, "culling" large quantities of one animal or another has royally backfired (this is where i made it sound like the fires had got worse when someone tried to put them out. In reality most fires get less hot and less dangerous when someone tries to put them out, but that's where the metaphor goes wonky, right? so i suggested that previous experience showed that some fires got worse.)

My concern is that when these crazed killing lunatics start to realize they can't drown enough squirrels a day to keep the populations down they'll try to think of other more harmful methods. Several people have suggested predators as being a useful method. This is where things go wrong.
 
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Tonington said:
My opinion is that if at all possible, we should try to mitigate any of our blunders. I'm taking aquaculture at school, and that's a real problem in the industry. Growing exotic species, and the inevitable escape. There are methods to neutralize this problem, but as you might imagine, they aren't cheap.
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perhaps you're right, old fellow. I just feel that in this situation if the only way to "control the population" is to go around drowning the poor buggers, perhaps it isn't worth it
 
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dude. the important word is metaphor. I am saying that in previous situations, "culling" large quantities of one animal or another has royally backfired (this is where i made it sound like the fires had got worse when someone tried to put them out. In reality most fires get less hot and less dangerous when someone tries to put them out, but that's where the metaphor goes wonky, right? so i suggested that previous experience showed that some fires got worse.)

My concern is that when these crazed killing lunatics start to realize they can't drown enough squirrels a day to keep the populations down they'll try to think of other more harmful methods. Several people have suggested predators as being a useful method. This is where things go wrong.
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i understand what a metaphor is Herm. the one i used holds as well. sitting idly by and watching your mistake cause damage is foolish and irresponsible.

If you'll notice, i never condoned adding predators or drowning the squirrels. i'm saying let hunters in to cull the group. how, in your opinion, could this possibly make this situation worse?
 
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Well, since this is a city environment we're talking about, I imagine a few people losing their ears to shotgun blasts might complain a little bit.
 
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perhaps you're right, old fellow. I just feel that in this situation if the only way to "control the population" is to go around drowning the poor buggers, perhaps it isn't worth it
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Oh I agree completely. I'm also not so keen on the predator idea. I mean if the natural predators in the area were successful, it wouldn't be nearly as bad of an issue. Introducing predators? Hah, reminds me of the tree lizard on the Simpsons. Bad mojo....I've joked previously about introducing feral cats to control a rat problem in the Alaskan islands, I hope nobody took that too seriously...
 
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Another way to view this is to see the greys as being as much of a victim as the reds. After all, they didn't ask to be relocated to a place in which they'd bee seen as vermin and drowned en masse, did they? What gives us the right to decide the greys should die?

I see it as two wrongs not making a right
 
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Well you'd have to give it a fancy name like they've done for sweet meats....you can't say "who'd like a plate of sheep brains for dinner" It's like head cheese which isn't cheese at all!
 
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I wonder if a fancy restaurant named like Tonington says
L'Écureuil were to open up, with a good menu.......I think that would put a dent in the Grey population plus some pocket money for the kids hired to trap them....but food regulations being what they the cost to the patrons of such a place would be high........
 
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