Essential features of the apostle of God
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gods that populated Olympus and other such lofty sites. Do you honestly believe that a true monumental 'god' would give a fig as to whether its worshipers felt that its gender was important? Or that accepting its 'godliness' was more important than doing good works'? Heck - if that's your (or anyone else's) idea of 'God' or 'Allah' or whatever? Keep it to yourself. The human arm of your faith might want to come and punish me for my inability to believe what you believe, but I'm pretty sure that if your G-d is as benevolent and merciful as you claim, he/she'll smile at me. Because I try to do right by the world - not by religion.
True, but we rarely refer to any other eastern religions other than Bhuddism and Hinduism either. Let's face it - we are ALL woefully ignorant of what the rest of the world believes.
But we can be pretty sure that whatever religious beliefs the rest of the world has are almost certainly wrong. At most only one set of religious beliefs can be right, and there are so many of them, and they're so variable and inconsistent, simple probability suggests they're all wrong, quite apart from what science tells us about the way reality is.
Curse be on your devil, and wooof on you :lol:
This is about Moses: Pharaoh refused him, and Pharaoh together with his hosts were drowned and Moses together with his people were saved.
Jesus ... Jews refused him, and were utterly destroyed by the Roman, and they scattered throughout the earth.
Mohammed was victorious also.
Abraham was victorious: they intended to burn him: he was saved and the idolaters were exterminated.
Prophet Lot was victorious: he was saved together with his family (except his wife), and the wrong-doers were exterminated by the earthquake and the shower of the meteoritic rocks (that are present now in the viscinity of the dead sea).
Prophet Hood was victorious: he together with the believers were saved and the disbelievers of his tribe: Aad were destroyed by the hurricanes.
Prophet Shuaib was saved together with the believers, while the disbelievers among his tribe: Midian were exterminated by the earthquake.
Prophet Salih was saved and those believed together with him, while the disbelievers among his tribe: Thamood were exterminated by the earthquake.
Noah the apostle of God was saved (together with the believers and his family except his wife and his grandson Qahtan) in the Ark, and the rest of his people were drowned in the flood.
And so on, all the apostles are victorious; and this is in the Quran 58: 21
كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَأَغْلِبَنَّ أَنَا وَرُسُلِي إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ
The explanation:
(God did write [in the Preserved Tablet in heaven]: "[Finally], I will be the Victor, I and My messengers; for God is All-Powerful, All-Mighty.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- And this may also be applicable to believers devoted to God alone against the disbelievers who associate others with God.
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(God did write [in the Preserved Tablet in heaven]: "[Finally], I will be the Victor, I and My messengers; for God is All-Powerful, All-Mighty.)
If god created all this and claims ownership of his creation, how can he be victorious? Usually victory denotes a war. Who is god fighting against? His own creation? How stupid is your god that he has to fight with his own creation? I would think that just the act of creating something would be cause for celebration, not war. man, you have some really weird beliefs!
If god created all this and claims ownership of his creation, how can he be victorious? Usually victory denotes a war. Who is god fighting against? His own creation? How stupid is your god that he has to fight with his own creation? I would think that just the act of creating something would be cause for celebration, not war. man, you have some really weird beliefs!
The idolaters, associaters and disbelievers chose to be against God; they are like the mosquito against the elephant; only this is a parable.
As in the Quran 22: 8-9
وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ . ثَانِيَ عِطْفِهِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ لَهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا خِزْيٌ وَنُذِيقُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ ...الخ
The explanation:
(And yet there are among people some who dispute about [the religion of] God without knowledge, without guidance, and without any illuminating Book [like the Tablets which emitted light].
(And yet there are among people some who dispute about [the religion of] God without knowledge, without guidance, and without any illuminating Book [like the Tablets which emitted light].
Turning apart his kindness [from his relatives] to mislead [them] from God's way; for him is disgrace in this World, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the chastisement of Burning [in Hell.]
That is according to what your hands forwarded, and for that God is never unjust to [His] servants.)
The disbeliever is the stupid; how weak he is in comparison to God Almighty, and how dare he speak evil against his Lord.
However some people chose to be against God: and this is for their bad luck and misfortume; these are God's enemy.
However some people chose to be against God: and this is for their bad luck and misfortume; these are God's enemy.
Prophet David said praying God Almighty, in the psalm 20:
“9-Let Your hand be found by all Your enemies: let Your right hand find out all them that hate You.
10-You shall make them as an oven of fire, in the time of Your anger: the Lord shall trouble them in his wrath. And fire shall devour them.
11-Their fruit shall You destroy from the earth: and their seed from among the children of men.
12-For they have intended evils against You: they have devised counsels which they have not been able to establish.
13-For You shall make them turn their back: in Your remnants You shall prepare their face.
14-Be You exalted, O Lord, in Your own strength: we will sing and praise Your power.”
10-You shall make them as an oven of fire, in the time of Your anger: the Lord shall trouble them in his wrath. And fire shall devour them.
11-Their fruit shall You destroy from the earth: and their seed from among the children of men.
12-For they have intended evils against You: they have devised counsels which they have not been able to establish.
13-For You shall make them turn their back: in Your remnants You shall prepare their face.
14-Be You exalted, O Lord, in Your own strength: we will sing and praise Your power.”
God threatened them if they do not repent and desist from their disbelief, enthusiasm and idolatry, then He will take revenge on them; as He said in the Quran 14: 47
فَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ اللّهَ مُخْلِفَ وَعْدِهِ رُسُلَهُ إِنَّ اللّهَ عَزِيزٌ ذُو انْتِقَامٍ
The explanation:
(So do not deem that God will fail in His promise to His messengers; for surely God is Almighty, Who takes vengeance.)
(So do not deem that God will fail in His promise to His messengers; for surely God is Almighty, Who takes vengeance.)
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Reminds me of a joke I read in ‘Mad’ magazine a few years ago. They were spoofing antique shops.
One shop was advertising authentic pre-Columbus artifacts. How were they pre-Columbus? They were manufactured by the Acme Souvenir Company before they moved to Columbus, Ohio in 1978.
; and to every nation God sent some of their citizens to warn them of the next afterlife.God is Most Gracious and Most Kind and Eternal; there isn't any other god in the entire universe but He alone. All that they claim to be gods, in fact are names only without reality, and God did not reveal any instruction to worship any god other than He God Almighty: the Creator.
This is the word of Prophet Joseph in his prison, as in the Quran 12: 39-40
يَا صَاحِبَيِ السِّجْنِ أَأَرْبَابٌ مُّتَفَرِّقُونَ خَيْرٌ أَمِ اللّهُ الْوَاحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ . مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلاَّ أَسْمَاء سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَآؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلاَّ لِلّهِ أَمَرَ أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation:
(I have forsaken the religion of a folk who believe not in God [alone] and [moreover] of the afterlife they are deniers."
"And I have followed the religion of my fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; we ought not to associate anything with God; that is [some] of God's bounty to us and to people, but most of people give no thanks."
"O my two fellow-prisoners, which is better: many differing lords or God: the One, the Omnipotent?"
"Apart from Him, you worship none other than names you have named, you and your fathers, concerning which God has not sent down any authority.
The decision is up to God only. He has commanded that none other than He should be worshipped. That is the religion of [Jacob] the guardian, but most of people do not know [the truth.]")
(I have forsaken the religion of a folk who believe not in God [alone] and [moreover] of the afterlife they are deniers."
"And I have followed the religion of my fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; we ought not to associate anything with God; that is [some] of God's bounty to us and to people, but most of people give no thanks."
"O my two fellow-prisoners, which is better: many differing lords or God: the One, the Omnipotent?"
"Apart from Him, you worship none other than names you have named, you and your fathers, concerning which God has not sent down any authority.
The decision is up to God only. He has commanded that none other than He should be worshipped. That is the religion of [Jacob] the guardian, but most of people do not know [the truth.]")
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You yourself haven't really answered my post - other than to quote the Quran. Have any original thoughts? Like, your Koran refers to Allah as 'him'. why? What if I decide that Allah is 'her'? Am I to be smoted? Or will a minion decide that he's doing G-d's work and do the smoting for him?
I stand by my statement. You can't force belief and for followers of a religion to state that their god demands belief is placing that deity right along there with the fickle gods and goddesses of Olympus.
Even though Jesus never said anything about the role of women (in fact if one actually reads the New Testament, the women there have very prominent roles), the actual 'religion' of Christianity has developed some distinct roles for both men and women. Luckily there is enough diversity within Christianity and also a regcognition that everything is open to interpretation, that these roles are not written in stone. In the Jewish faith, there is also recognition of the Shekina - the female aspect of G-d - but Islam? Nothing.
Just because your scriptures - or Christian scriptures say that your deity is 'the one and only' and demands that 'he' is the only one to be worshiped -you cannot force belief - it's either there or it isn't. why do I want o belong to a religion that tells me that I am less than a man - not because I have less ability - but just because I am not a man? Why do I want to join a religion that says that unless I do I'll suffer and my family will suffer. If people like the Wahabis, the Talibs the Roman Catholics (pre Vatican 2 variety), the 'born again' Christians are what I'm supposed to view as shining examples those who are living their faiths as 'god' tells them to, then count me out. I'd rather live in djimitude. Now can you come to me with something more than quotes from the Quran?
The Gawd of Islam is the same Gawd of Judaism and Christianity.
You talk about the diversity within Xianity... It is so diverse, Islam could easily fit within the Xian continuum and not even be noticed.
You talk about the diversity within Xianity... It is so diverse, Islam could easily fit within the Xian continuum and not even be noticed.
Your post is a mixture of many points as you jump from one point to another:
"Is God male or female? Are women lower than men? Don't quote the Quran?
You cannot force your belief. I stand by my statement."
-------------------------------------------------"Is God male or female? Are women lower than men? Don't quote the Quran?
You cannot force your belief. I stand by my statement."
In fact, God is the Creator: He created the male and the female; but He is Superior than such features of His creation. But He is spoken of as "He" in the Quran.
Of your points the main point is: Are women lower than men?
So I ask you: is the woman exactly like the man?
And you, being an educated woman, should answer truly and scientifically concerning the anatomical, physiological, psychological, periodical and social obvious differences between woman and man.
Who will have the menstrual bleeding every month: the man or the woman?
Who will frequently be pregnant for nine months each time: the woman or the man?
Who will give birth to the baby: the man or the woman?
Who will suckle the baby for 2 years: the mother or the father? …etc.
And you, being an educated woman, should answer truly and scientifically concerning the anatomical, physiological, psychological, periodical and social obvious differences between woman and man.
Who will have the menstrual bleeding every month: the man or the woman?
Who will frequently be pregnant for nine months each time: the woman or the man?
Who will give birth to the baby: the man or the woman?
Who will suckle the baby for 2 years: the mother or the father? …etc.
Anyhow, men came from women, and women came from men: every man has his mother that gave birth to him; and every girl has a father who inserted her in the womb of her mother. So all of them are human beings.
Whether it be a male or a female; each will have his or her reward with their Lord in the afterlife according to their work and belief.
No discremination between the male and female in the recompense of their deeds.
No discremination between the male and female in the recompense of their deeds.
Moreover, I respect the mother and she is on my head, and I respect the sister and she is on my head, and so on the daughter, the wife and all chaste women are worthy of much respect and protection.
This is in the Quran 3: 195
أَنِّي لاَ أُضِيعُ عَمَلَ عَامِلٍ مِّنكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنثَى بَعْضُكُم مِّن بَعْضٍ
The explanation:
(Then their Lord heard their [supplication, and said:]
"I do never waste the work of any worker among you [but I will double the worker's reward], be he male or female [: no discrimination between the male and the female concerning the reward of the work]:
some of you [proceed] from others [: the male proceeds from the female, and all of you proceeded from Adam.])
--------------------------------------------- (Then their Lord heard their [supplication, and said:]
"I do never waste the work of any worker among you [but I will double the worker's reward], be he male or female [: no discrimination between the male and the female concerning the reward of the work]:
some of you [proceed] from others [: the male proceeds from the female, and all of you proceeded from Adam.])
In addition, why don't you consider the Quran and study it carefully, you will find it full of wisdom; so why is all this quick reaction when I cited one aya? Are you afraid of studying the Glorious Quran carefully? :idea:
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You obviously did not read my post a few days ago, Downhome Woman (I don’t remember if it was on this thread or somewhere else).
Originally Allah is the name of a Hindu Goddess, a moon Goddess. From ancient India, Allah traveled to Middle East. Allah predates Islam, he (now ‘she’ became a ‘he’) was being worshipped in Arabia even before Mohammed.
At that time, people in the Middle East used to worship all kinds of Gods and Goddesses, including Allah. Mohammed decreed that Allah is the only true God and told people to stop worshipping anything else.
Anyway, so originally Allah was a Hindu Goddess (I assume still is). So there is nothing wrong whatever to refer to Allah as ‘her’.
Quite so, Spade. I would only add one more thing. It probably is the same God of Hinduism.
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Oh good grief, stop quoting the Quran and start thinking for yourself.
Am I different than a man? Of course - I've never denied that, but all that other garbage regarding menstruation, pregnancy nursing, etc .. give me a break!
i was in the army - and i menstruated. i was still able to think clearly and do my job. Pregnancy? You seem to think that pregnancy makes women unable to think or do things. trust me. We perform just fine, thank you.
i spent 6 months on a tour of duty in Egypt (menstruating faithfully through out my time there, I might add). I saw many pregnant women who worked as probably did when they weren't pregnant - obviously when it comes to getting a days work out of a pregnant woman, they're equal.
My husband recently retired from the military. when our children were very small, because of his job he was not always there. I did his job and my job at the same time.
Your remarks, "oncerning the anatomical, physiological, psychological, periodical and social obvious differences between woman and man.[/FONT]
Who will have the menstrual bleeding every month: the man or the woman?
Who will frequently be pregnant for nine months each time: the woman or the man?
Who will give birth to the baby: the man or the woman?
Who will suckle the baby for 2 years: the mother or the father? …etc.[/LEFT]" are amusing. It's as if you believe that pregnancy, nursing and menstruation somehow limit women from what they are able to do. Nothing is farther from the truth. you bet. Having a partner makes the load easier but the load is still there and sometimes it's doubled and we have coped for thousands of years, whether the learned men of the 2 testaments and the Quran would like to believe otherwise.
You belong to a belief system that, while may have been advanced for its day, has petrified. sorry. i like having my beloved husband but if I had to go it alone? I could, pregnancy, menstruation regardless. And by the way. The whole hijab/niquab - modesty- thing? the Prophet enjoined both genders to dress modestly. It's unfortunate that the modest dressing of women is a lot more restrictive than that of men. And please, the whole business of women having to dress that way to keep men from thinking bad thoughts? Grow up and develop some discipline. Stop expecting the women to stifle themselves so you don't have to make the effort to control yourselves.
I stand by what i say -= I'd raqther live in djimitude.
p.s. all scriptures have a lot of good to say - i just get fed up with how it gets interpreted by the experts(can i mention those wahabi moral police who let a group of little school girls die in a fire? tThey locked the doors of the school and wouldn't let them out because they weren't certain whether they'd be modestly covered. How sick is that. Yup - really want to become one of you! DJIMITUDE - HOOAH!!
SJP - Actually I DID read your post, but I fear that we've been down this road many times before! :lol: You cannot for certain state that Allah was a Hindu goddess - you can only assume. Just as I assume that rather than Hinduism being the 'original' religion, there was a 'proto religion that gave birth to two distinct but related beliefs - Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.
Now, since Zoroastrianism has more in common with many of the western religions, I'm more inclined to be of the opinion that the religions of the west stemmed from that.
And if I may be so bold as to paraphrase you - it is my opinion, and an opinion being what it is, cannot be wrong.::smile::
It is my understanding that the Aryans who brought the Vedas to India/Pakistan, also migrated to Scandinavia and originated the religion of the Vikings. There are many similarities between the Viking and Hindu religions and supposedly the Greeks. So I think Downhome Woman is correct about the proto religion of Europe and Asia going back to about 6 thousand years ago. This would also coincide with the rise of civilization in China and the Americas, giving rise to the possibility of other connections and influences.