Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

Iran should have Nuke Weapons


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Goober

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Israel has the same problem as you do. They don't know right from wrong and they don't care to. You have made no secret about the nature of the things that come to your mind and they are terribly wrong as well.

Incorrect - I realize the problems with Israel,warts and all. I also realize they are centuries ahead of every Mid East Country and every country in Africa when it comes to and I will only list a few areas.

Freedom to vote.

An open & free Judicial system -

Education availability for all

Freedom of Religion,

Science

Free Press

Health care.

Compared to all of Africa - every country - the entire Mid East - Pakistan - Indonesia.

Israel is a Garden of Eden when the honest comparison is done.

Lastly - if you had to live in one of those countries - Which one would you live in?
 

Goober

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^ lol

There are a few lawyers and judges here in Minnesota who deserve a good hanging.
Yeah - You elect them down there - Where do you think the corruption starts - Electing a Judge is a recipe for corruption - Not all but a substantial number - numerous articles have been done on corruption - Judges election campaigns - favorable decisions.

''Health care''

Paid for by USA tax dollars. Meantime, we don't have it.

Try and answer the question as to what country you would live in. Try that one on for size.
 

gopher

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''How would you reform the law?''

Employ the same system used in Europe that had already been financed with USA dollars.

''Why?''

Judicial corruption and stupidity is a bit too involved to get into on this forum. However, if you want a site on the subject log on to Leslie Davis's:

Leslie Davis for Governor Minnesota - Political Candidate, Activist, Environmentalist

He can give you details about how judges and lawyers are involved in all sorts of corrupt practices and how they cover up for the elites who ruin ... err, run this state.
 

BaalsTears

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Lawyers and Judges are products of the American public school system most of the time. Nothing can save America without educational reform. Educational reform comes before legal reform. Leslie Davis sounds like an uncircumcised Philistine. Btw, I was born in Minnesota.:)
 

gopher

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I have spoken to Les Davis ~ he's a Jew from Brooklyn so he and I talk the same language. Some of his spiel is caca but he has documented some sh!t from these f`cked up judges and lawyers.
 

BaalsTears

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I have spoken to Les Davis ~ he's a Jew from Brooklyn so he and I talk the same language. Some of his spiel is caca but he has documented some sh!t from these f`cked up judges and lawyers.

Everybody is full of caca. There have been giants of the Minnesota bench. I grew up with this man's sons: Bench & Bar of Minnesota He was a great, noble and honest man who was sometimes full of caca.
 

Goober

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Asia Times Online :: Pressure builds on Iran at nuclear watchdog

Pressure builds on Iran at nuclear watchdog
By Barbara Slavin

WASHINGTON - As Iran continues a slow march toward potential nuclear weapons capability, diplomatic action to contain the program is likely to shift to the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), whose director general, Yukiya Amano, has taken a harder line than his predecessor about alleged military research by Iran's nuclear scientists.

Experts on the Iranian nuclear program are looking toward the IAEA's November 17-18 board meeting in Vienna for new criticism of Tehran, including a possible finding that Iran has not complied with its obligations to be open about alleged nuclear studies with a military dimension.

Since he took office in late 2009, Amano, a non-proliferation specialist and Japan's former representative to the nuclear watchdog organization, has spoken much more explicitly and insistently than his Egyptian predecessor, Mohamed ElBaradei, about alleged Iranian studies of warhead designs and ways to initiate nuclear explosions.
 

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Seems those that found shelter behind the IAEA regarding Irans Nuke program for years, slamming the US and Western Europe, and anyone who had a differing opinion - Well guess what - You were wrong.Again.

Now the IAEA is about to release another report.

BBC News - UN report 'to suggest Iran nuclear weapons work'

The UN's atomic watchdog is planning to reveal evidence that Iran has been working secretly to develop a nuclear weapons capability, diplomats say.

The evidence is said to include intelligence that Iran made computer models of a nuclear warhead.

Iranian officials say the International Atomic Energy Agency report, due next week, is a fabrication.

Israeli officials have said a military option to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons is drawing nearer.

Diplomats, speaking anonymously, have been briefing journalists on the IAEA's next quarterly report on Iran.

They said the report would also include satellite images of what the IAEA believes is a large steel container used for high-explosives tests related to nuclear arms.
 

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Seems those that found shelter behind the IAEA regarding Irans Nuke program for years, slamming the US and Western Europe, and anyone who had a differing opinion - Well guess what - You were wrong.Again.
If 'you' are still looking for 'proof' then 'we' were correct rather than being wrong in the first place. Your 'Intel' is likely from the same people who donated the info that led to the invasion of Iraq, lies ever one of them. This latest propaganda is just a continuation of that same policy.

In an outstanding piece in today’s Wall Street Journal, Fred Fleitz, a former CIA analyst, State Department non-proliferation adviser, and House intel staffer, slams the intelligence community (IC) for its cynical, political, and laughably off-target take on Iran’s nuclear ambitions. More importantly, he takes on their systemic dishonesty:
Censors also tried to prevent me from discussing my most serious objection to the 2011 Iran NIE: its skewed set of outside reviewers. The U.S. intelligence community regularly employs reviewers who tend to endorse anything they review: former senior intelligence officers, liberal professors and scholars from liberal think tanks. These reviewers tend to share the views of senior intelligence analysts, and they also want to maintain their intelligence contacts and high-level security clearances.
This is one of those Washington truths—everyone knows it, but no one wants to do anything about it. The IC employs the pretense of “outside review” for its material, handpicks reviewers who share the IC’s political biases, and then trumpets its intellectual and political integrity. Every one of us who has held a clearance has had this experience, but thus far, no one has been willing to take on the issue. (Ditto, by the way, for the IC’s habits of doling out its slush fund money to congenial research institutions for conferences bolstering their point of view.)
Time to get the intelligence community back into the business of analyzing intel and out of the business of skewing to secure political outcomes.
CIA: Iran Is *Not* Building Nuclear Weapons « The Enterprise Blog
 

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If 'you' are still looking for 'proof' then 'we' were correct rather than being wrong in the first place. Your 'Intel' is likely from the same people who donated the info that led to the invasion of Iraq, lies ever one of them. This latest propaganda is just a continuation of that same policy.

In an outstanding piece in today’s Wall Street Journal, Fred Fleitz, a former CIA analyst, State Department non-proliferation adviser, and House intel staffer, slams the intelligence community (IC) for its cynical, political, and laughably off-target take on Iran’s nuclear ambitions. More importantly, he takes on their systemic dishonesty:
CIA: Iran Is *Not* Building Nuclear Weapons « The Enterprise Blog

Perhaps he was also wrong on Iraq. He has retired from the CIA - Before the IAEA was the fount of proof - Now it is a US cesspool. Why is that
 

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Well, I wouldn't trust any info that is skewed to justify any invasion or attack on Iran. But, if it is true they have nuclear weapons capabilities, good on them. Why should all their enemies have nukes and they be left vulnerable to attack? All of the hate propaganda that has been leveled at Iran over the past few years has been horse shyte, just like it was against Saddam and Gaddafi. Fcuk western Intel! It is all crap designed to promote hate against anybody who stands against western aggression.

It does not. The Iranians started their nuke program during the Iraq-Iran War - Why.
To protect themselves?
 

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Well, I wouldn't trust any info that is skewed to justify any invasion or attack on Iran. But, if it is true they have nuclear weapons capabilities, good on them. Why should all their enemies have nukes and they be left vulnerable to attack? All of the hate propaganda that has been leveled at Iran over the past few years has been horse shyte, just like it was against Saddam and Gaddafi. Fcuk western Intel! It is all crap designed to promote hate against anybody who stands against western aggression.


To protect themselves?

Yep - Bunch of Theocratic Mullahs and Peace Fanatics to boot. Who would have guessed.
 

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It does not. The Iranians started their nuke program during the Iraq-Iran War - Why.
That's not even close to being true, that is when nuclear power was being denied to them via the voiding of previous contracts signed. Them having 'the bomb' was quite acceptable as long as the US was their master and the Shaw was their puppet.
Nuclear program of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The joint stock company Eurodif operating a uranium enrichment plant in France was formed in 1973 by France, Belgium, Spain and Sweden. In 1975 Sweden's 10% share in Eurodif went to Iran as a result of an arrangement between France and Iran. The French government subsidiary company Cogéma and the Iranian Government established the Sofidif (Société franco–iranienne pour l'enrichissement de l'uranium par diffusion gazeuse) enterprise with 60% and 40% shares, respectively. In turn, Sofidif acquired a 25% share in Eurodif, which gave Iran its 10% share of Eurodif. Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi lent 1 billion dollars (and another 180 million dollars in 1977) for the construction of the Eurodif factory, to have the right of buying 10% of the production of the site.
"President Gerald Ford signed a directive in 1976 offering Tehran the chance to buy and operate a U.S.-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. The deal was for a complete 'nuclear fuel cycle'."[38] At the time, Richard Cheney was the White House Chief of Staff, and Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense. The Ford strategy paper said the "introduction of nuclear power will both provide for the growing needs of Iran's economy and free remaining oil reserves for export or conversion to petrochemicals."
Then-United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger recalled in 2005, "I don't think the issue of proliferation came up."[38] However, a 1974 CIA proliferation assessment stated "If [the Shah] is alive in the mid-1980s ... and if other countries [particularly India] have proceeded with weapons development we have no doubt Iran will follow suit."[39]
The Shah also signed a nuclear cooperation agreement with South Africa under which Iranian oil money financed the development of South African fuel enrichment technology using a novel "jet nozzle" process, in return for assured supplies of South African (and Namibian) enriched uranium.[40]
[edit] Post-revolution, 1979–1989

The 1979 Revolution saw the overthrow[41] of the Shah.[42][43] During the Revolution, Iranian students took over the U.S. Embassy,[44] and held U.S. diplomats there hostage for 444 days lasting from 4 November 1979, to 20 January 1981.[45] In Iran, anti-American sentiment was fed by the U.S. installation and support for the repressive[46] Shah and "feared" SAVAK,[47] and continuing resentment over U.S. support to the coup that overthrew Iran's democratically elected government and installed the Shah.[48] The United States considered the hostage-taking as an outrage violating the sovereignty of diplomatic compounds.[49]
After the revolution, much nuclear cooperation with Iran was cut off. The United States stopped fulfilling contracts it had with Iran, while France, Germany, and other countries also reduced their cooperation with Iran due to pressure from the United States. Iran argues these experiences show the unreliability of working with the West on nuclear issues and place the burden on the West to restore its credibility.