End the Lockdown

Serryah

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Awesome. Staying home is working for NB. How are they fairing in old Brunswick?


Not many people that I know trust the numbers. A few nurse and doctor friends don't think they're testing enough to get an accurate number of cases. That said, 811 - our Telehealth number - is the place to call first if you have symptoms and a nurse will advise you from there on whether to report to hospital or stay home. So if someone has symptoms and calls there first, they may just be staying at home to recover and so aren't being counted. It's only this past week that anyone with two symptoms or more was being tested; before that you had to have three or four checks off a list of questions first.


And our Premier is looking to 'open' NB, though of course he says it's conditional. Meanwhile the thought of it has people saying no, considering the number of people in NS who keep testing positive for it.

IF the numbers are a true representation of what's going on in NB, we got freakin' lucky considering how many people still traveled for March Break this year and how many people have flown into the Maritimes via Moncton first.



It is wearing on people but even our small hospital has nurses waiting at the door to question you before you register, and our local grocery stores have security guys to help keep numbers of shoppers down as well as screen people as they go shopping.

Numbers are down for people coming to the ER overall though that'll likely change as things progress and where I work nights I rarely see anyone come in to see the doc at all as it is.

But overall... we'll see.
 

Blackleaf

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Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke




That was one of the more extraordinary interviews we have done here at UnHerd.

Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

- UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based
- The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
- This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
- The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
- The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
- The paper was very much too pessimistic
- Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
- The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
- The results will eventually be similar for all countries
- Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
- The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
- At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available

 

Blackleaf

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Which is the point of the lockdown.

There are a lot less treatments and operations going on in hospitals at the moment for things like cancer.

Why?

Because of the lockdown, many people are too scared to go to hospital to get the treatment they require.

They'll be amongst the many victims of the lockdown.
 

Avro52

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There are a lot less treatments and operations going on in hospitals at the moment for things like cancer.
Why?
Because of the lockdown, many people are too scared to go to hospital to get the treatment they require.
They'll be amongst the many victims of the lockdown.

My brother just had surgery to remove cancerous nodes and he begins chemo this week.
 

Blackleaf

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Obviously Canadas health system is superior to Britain's.

1) It's certainly true that in lockdowned countries there have been well-documented reductions in people going to hospital for serious diseases like cancer. It's thought these people are too scared to go to hospital because of the lockdown restrictions. These will be amongst the many victims of the lockdown.

2) Britain's NHS is the best health service on Earth: