End the Lockdown

[Avro52]

1) It's certainly true that in lockdowned countries there have been well-documented reductions in people going to hospital for serious diseases like cancer. It's thought these people are too scared to go to hospital because of the lockdown restrictions. These will be amongst the many victims of the lockdown.
2) Britain's NHS is the best health service on Earth:

The reduction is in emerg where people flood them with a sniffle.

Electives have been postponed like the one I was having.

Vital medicine is normal.

 

[Walter]

There are a lot less treatments and operations going on in hospitals at the moment for things like cancer.
Why?
Because of the lockdown, many people are too scared to go to hospital to get the treatment they require.
They'll be amongst the many victims of the lockdown.

If the point of the lockdown was to reduce the crush on hospitals the goal has been achieved, so the continuation of the lockdown is pointless.

 

[Serryah]

Obviously Canadas health system is superior to Britain's.

My mother still has ongoing chemo for her Ovarian cancer, so...


I'd have to agree, it's obvious the NHS still has issues in some areas. Or it's Blackie lying.


I'd actually think it's the latter since he doesn't know how to tell the truth to begin with.

 

[Blackleaf]

The reduction is in emerg where people flood them with a sniffle.
Electives have been postponed like the one I was having.
Vital medicine is normal.

It's just not true.

In Britain - and the same will be true in other lockdowned countries - cancer referrals have dropped 80% because of the lockdown.

 

[Blackleaf]

My mother still has ongoing chemo for her Ovarian cancer, so...
I'd have to agree, it's obvious the NHS still has issues in some areas. Or it's Blackie lying.
I'd actually think it's the latter since he doesn't know how to tell the truth to begin with.

Health services aren't to blame for people refusing to go to hospital because of the lockdown. The lockdown is to blame.

 

[Avro52]

If the point of the lockdown was to reduce the crush on hospitals the goal has been achieved, so the continuation of the lockdown is pointless.

That was the point and once the curve flattens things will begin to open up.

Doug Ford gets it and hasn't soiled himself.

 

[Avro52]

It's just not true.
In Britain - and the same will be true in other lockdowned countries - cancer referrals have dropped 80% because of the lockdown.

It is here.

Critical care is the same. If people are avoiding hospitals for that then that's there choice not the governments.

 

[Blackleaf]

I think it rather bizarre, too, that you're trying to prove me wrong by saying: "You're wrong! My friend had treatment for can cancer recently", as though your friend makes up the majority of people who visit hospital.

 

[Blackleaf]

It is here.
Critical care is the same. If people are avoiding hospitals for that then that's there choice not the governments.

They're avoiding hospital because of the lockdown.

 

[Avro52]

Health services aren't to blame for people refusing to go to hospital because of the lockdown. The lockdown is to blame.

The lock down doesn't prevent people from getting critical care.

 

[petros]

And most wouldn't even know it.

So it should be spread far and wide overloading the system?

 

[Blackleaf]

The lock down doesn't prevent people from getting critical care.

You're just denying the evidence, easily Googled, which says otherwise.

 

[Avro52]

They're avoiding hospital because of the lockdown.

That's a choice.

No one is prohibiting critical care.

 

[Avro52]

You're just denying the evidence, easily Googled, which says otherwise.

I'm not denying a thing.

What country is denying critical care to patients?

 

[petros]

If the point of the lockdown was to reduce the crush on hospitals the goal has been achieved, so the continuation of the lockdown is pointless.

This is going to go on until there is a vaccine or their is enough supplies and equipment to treat people.

 

[Blackleaf]

That's a choice.
No one is prohibiting critical care.

It's the choice they made because of the lockdown.

 

[Blackleaf]

Why is the number of people seeking treatment for life-threatening conditions such as heart attacks plummeting?

Dr Amir Khan
18 Apr 2020

It feels as if, in the last few weeks, we have done nothing but talk about coronavirus. Our social media feeds are filled with updates on the daily death toll, every headline is dominated by it, and we have been restricted to our homes as a result of it.

It is no surprise that my work as a doctor has also been taken over with patients who have symptoms or concerns about the virus.

But something is worrying me. I do not see as many patients as usual about non-coronavirus health issues.

Before this pandemic, my list of patients to see was full. I never had an empty appointment slot: Patients were still getting sick from non-coronavirus-related illnesses.

Where have they all gone?

Granted, some of the patients I used to see did not really need a doctor to make them better, just time for their minor ailment to run its course. But there were some who came in with worrying signs and symptoms; things that would alert me to the possibility of cancer or a heart attack and warrant an urgent referral to my colleagues at the local hospital.

We are a large inner-city UK primary care medical practice with more than 25,000 registered patients. Before the coronavirus pandemic, we would average about 30 referrals to hospital per week for patients with suspected cancer. Since the lockdown, this has dropped to just three per week.

Speaking to colleagues in hospitals, I have been receiving reports of delayed presentations in patients with heart attacks and appendicitis leading to potentially avoidable deaths. It is impossible to say for sure, but there is a feeling among my colleagues that had these patients come in earlier, their outcomes may have been better.

Is this because people are worried about attending hospital for fear of catching coronavirus or do they simply assume healthcare professionals are too busy to see them?

I wanted to find out if these were just isolated incidents or whether they were part of a wider trend.

Earlier this month, the British Heart Foundation (BHF) stated: "New data from hospitals across England show that the number of people seen in hospital with a suspected heart attack has halved since the beginning of March ... from an average of 300 per day at the beginning of March, to 150 per day. Across the UK, this could lead to unnecessary deaths and more people living with debilitating heart failure if they do recover."

Although it is still too early to draw conclusions about the wider health implications of the coronavirus pandemic, there does appear to be a worrying downward trend in the numbers of people seeking medical help for other, non-coronavirus illnesses which could be life-threatening.

This picture is playing out globally. According to a poll conducted by the US-based Twitter group Angioplasty.Org, comprising US cardiologists, there has been a significant drop in the number of heart attack patients presenting for treatment.

Meanwhile, a study in Spain has shown a 40-percent reduction in emergency heart procedures since the coronavirus outbreak.

Last week, Sara Hiom, director of early diagnosis at Cancer Research UK, expressed concern about the drop in the number of referrals coming from primary care providers in the UK for those patients with suspected cancer, amidst the coronavirus pandemic.

She added she was aware of a 70-percent reduction in suspected cancer referrals in some areas.

A study in Hong Kong has shown that patients are presenting later in the course of their heart attacks during the coronavirus pandemic than before it.

In the UK, the government has repeatedly stressed that the National Health Service (NHS) remains open for business, so why are people not coming forward?

We believe the reasons are varied. Most people do not want to add to the burden of the already stretched health services, and they may not feel their health concern is as important as the wider coronavirus pandemic.

They may then wait until their condition significantly worsens before seeking medical attention.

People may also be worried about leaving their homes when we have all been told to practise social distancing - even to get medical help. They are naturally worried about catching the virus. Hospitals and primary care locations may be perceived as high-risk settings where the virus is more prevalent.

Whatever the reason, the message from healthcare staff is clear: Do not delay seeking medical attention for potentially life-threatening illnesses.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...health-costs-coronavirus-200418080456970.html

 

[Avro52]

This is going to go on until there is a vine or their is enough supplies and equipment to treat people.

When the curve flattens like it is doing the amount of cases will reduce so hospitals should be able to handle the deluge Lets hope we are ready for the next wave before a viable vaccine is produced.

 

[Avro52]

Why is the number of people seeking treatment for life-threatening conditions such as heart attacks plummeting?
Dr Amir Khan
18 Apr 2020
It feels as if, in the last few weeks, we have done nothing but talk about coronavirus. Our social media feeds are filled with updates on the daily death toll, every headline is dominated by it, and we have been restricted to our homes as a result of it.
It is no surprise that my work as a doctor has also been taken over with patients who have symptoms or concerns about the virus.
But something is worrying me. I do not see as many patients as usual about non-coronavirus health issues.
Before this pandemic, my list of patients to see was full. I never had an empty appointment slot: Patients were still getting sick from non-coronavirus-related illnesses.
Where have they all gone?
Granted, some of the patients I used to see did not really need a doctor to make them better, just time for their minor ailment to run its course. But there were some who came in with worrying signs and symptoms; things that would alert me to the possibility of cancer or a heart attack and warrant an urgent referral to my colleagues at the local hospital.
We are a large inner-city UK primary care medical practice with more than 25,000 registered patients. Before the coronavirus pandemic, we would average about 30 referrals to hospital per week for patients with suspected cancer. Since the lockdown, this has dropped to just three per week.
Speaking to colleagues in hospitals, I have been receiving reports of delayed presentations in patients with heart attacks and appendicitis leading to potentially avoidable deaths. It is impossible to say for sure, but there is a feeling among my colleagues that had these patients come in earlier, their outcomes may have been better.
Is this because people are worried about attending hospital for fear of catching coronavirus or do they simply assume healthcare professionals are too busy to see them?
I wanted to find out if these were just isolated incidents or whether they were part of a wider trend.
Earlier this month, the British Heart Foundation (BHF) stated: "New data from hospitals across England show that the number of people seen in hospital with a suspected heart attack has halved since the beginning of March ... from an average of 300 per day at the beginning of March, to 150 per day. Across the UK, this could lead to unnecessary deaths and more people living with debilitating heart failure if they do recover."
Although it is still too early to draw conclusions about the wider health implications of the coronavirus pandemic, there does appear to be a worrying downward trend in the numbers of people seeking medical help for other, non-coronavirus illnesses which could be life-threatening.
This picture is playing out globally. According to a poll conducted by the US-based Twitter group Angioplasty.Org, comprising US cardiologists, there has been a significant drop in the number of heart attack patients presenting for treatment.
Meanwhile, a study in Spain has shown a 40-percent reduction in emergency heart procedures since the coronavirus outbreak.
Last week, Sara Hiom, director of early diagnosis at Cancer Research UK, expressed concern about the drop in the number of referrals coming from primary care providers in the UK for those patients with suspected cancer, amidst the coronavirus pandemic.
She added she was aware of a 70-percent reduction in suspected cancer referrals in some areas.
A study in Hong Kong has shown that patients are presenting later in the course of their heart attacks during the coronavirus pandemic than before it.
In the UK, the government has repeatedly stressed that the National Health Service (NHS) remains open for business, so why are people not coming forward?
We believe the reasons are varied. Most people do not want to add to the burden of the already stretched health services, and they may not feel their health concern is as important as the wider coronavirus pandemic.
They may then wait until their condition significantly worsens before seeking medical attention.
People may also be worried about leaving their homes when we have all been told to practise social distancing - even to get medical help. They are naturally worried about catching the virus. Hospitals and primary care locations may be perceived as high-risk settings where the virus is more prevalent.
Whatever the reason, the message from healthcare staff is clear: Do not delay seeking medical attention for potentially life-threatening illnesses.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...health-costs-coronavirus-200418080456970.html

None of that says are prevented from getting critical care.

They are choosing not to go.

 

[Avro52]

It's the choice they made because of the lockdown.

The lock down doesn't prevent people from getting critical care.

Did I mention my brother....?