End the Lockdown

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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
End the lockdown.
Walter thinks the "lockdown" was imposed by Congress.
 

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Walter thinks the "lockdown" was imposed by Congress.


I'm moreso wondering where the free exercise of religion is being infringed on. People can still worship as they please, nothing is stopping them.


Wait, they can't go into a building to worship? So...


They're not religious until they go in that building? Or is it their religion doesn't matter until they go into the building?


I don't recall Jesus saying anything about needing a church to worship God; pretty sure he preached in the open air...
 

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The lockdown is Constitutionally iffy.

There is a inalienable Right in America to the pursuit of happiness. That means that another person cannot take it away the the person possessing it cannot give it away.

That is the difference bewteen China and America.

The people of China understand that they and their families can be made to disappear in labor camps for the rest of thier lives for not following lockdown rules.

Americans undterstand that the Quaker Oats guy gauranteed that they could do anything that makes them happy.

Two different philsophies two different outcomes.
 

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I'm moreso wondering where the free exercise of religion is being infringed on. People can still worship as they please, nothing is stopping them.


Wait, they can't go into a building to worship? So...


They're not religious until they go in that building? Or is it their religion doesn't matter until they go into the building?


I don't recall Jesus saying anything about needing a church to worship God; pretty sure he preached in the open air...
This is my body , this is my blood , take this in remembrance of me .
 

pgs

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I'm moreso wondering where the free exercise of religion is being infringed on. People can still worship as they please, nothing is stopping them.


Wait, they can't go into a building to worship? So...


They're not religious until they go in that building? Or is it their religion doesn't matter until they go into the building?


I don't recall Jesus saying anything about needing a church to worship God; pretty sure he preached in the open air...
Is it only Christians that worship in an enclosed environment? Or is your bias strictly against the Christian faiths ? Just asking for a friend .
 

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Tecumsehsbones

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The lockdown is Constitutionally iffy.
There is a inalienable Right in America to the pursuit of happiness. That means that another person cannot take it away the the person possessing it cannot give it away.
That is the difference bewteen China and America.
The people of China understand that they and their families can be made to disappear in labor camps for the rest of thier lives for not following lockdown rules.
Americans undterstand that the Quaker Oats guy gauranteed that they could do anything that makes them happy.
Two different philsophies two different outcomes.
Sigh. The "pursuit of happiness" isn't in the Constitution.

(Bullshit waffle about how the Declaration of Independence is our "founding document," blah blah blah, in 3. . . 2. . . 1. . .)
 

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The MSM may be angry at Boris's adviser Dominic Cummings not for supposedly breaking the lockdown rules - which he didn't - but because he may have uncovered a plot by the anti-democratic civil service to extend the Brexit transition period, which he then stopped.

Also, some left wing ‘journalist’ offered to finance anyone willing to assault a Conservative minister in front of his kids.

Says it all really...

 

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The anti-Tory, anti-Brexit Lefties are being destroyed:



Wigan MP and Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy (Lab) Gives Hypocritical Anti Cummings Interview On BBC Breakfast As #ScumMedia Keeps Trending

"Mr Cummings came into contact with many people during his trip to Durham: 98% of them were tabloid journalists."

The greatest YouTube comment of 2020 so far.

 
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The Johnson Administration just doesn't take any sh*t from MSM.

Every evening during the coronavirus briefing a Government minister just bats away some daft question from a journalist.

It won't be long until there's an hour long YouTube video of clips of Health Secretary Matt Hancock destroying ITV's Robert Peston.

MSM vs Health Secretary Matt Hancock:
 

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The Remainer Liaison Committee's Political Point Scoring Destroyed By Boris Johnson

 

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It was Emily Maitlis who broke the rules

It seems like the entire broadcast media have lost the plot.


TOM SLATER
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27th May 2020
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The British broadcast media’s alleged impartiality is worn as a badge of pride. It’s one of those things that separates us from those mad Yanks, they say, and spares us the partisan panto performed on US stations each night. The beloved taxpayer-funded BBC, in particular, is held up as the pinnacle of this more liberal-left variety of British exceptionalism. And so when word got round that Boris Johnson was considering scrapping the TV license earlier this year, some people lost it. ‘Save the BBC from Boris Johnson or we’ll get UK Fox News’, wrote Labour MP Ian Murray in February.

How funny, then, that what seems to be ushering in a new partisan era in British broadcast news is not Boris Johnson’s government, or Rupert Murdoch’s latest brainchild, but the BBC itself. Indeed, on Newsnight last night, Emily Maitlis went the full Bill O’Reilly – flouting impartiality guidelines to attack the government on the seemingly never-ending scandal over Dominic Cummings and his decision to drive from London to Durham to self-isolate with his family when his wife was showing Covid-19 symptoms.

‘Dominic Cummings broke the rules, the country can see that, and it’s shocked the government cannot’, she said. But this is opinion, not fact. The government, as we know, maintains that Cummings was acting within the rules, citing exemptions relating to the welfare of children. If he has broken the law, contrary to what the government says, that’s a matter for the authorities. Whether or not he broke the ‘spirit’ of the law, so often invoked in recent days by goalpost-moving journalists, is entirely debatable. Which is why you wouldn’t expect the presenter of a BBC news programme to pronounce so definitively on such matters.

Maitlis’s brass neck was almost impressive. Here she was lecturing her viewers, presenting her views as unalloyed truth, all on the taxpayers’ dime; castigating a government adviser for breaking lockdown rules, while breaching the BBC’s own impartiality rules. ‘Presenters, reporters and correspondents are the public face and voice of the BBC’, the guidelines read. ‘Our audiences should not be able to tell from BBC output the personal opinions of our journalists.’ She, of course, left us under no illusions by the time she was finished.

Having found Cummings guilty live on air, she went on to get some sly digs in, as she said the former Vote Leave campaign chief was out of touch with the public. ‘He was the man, remember, who always got the public mood; he tagged the lazy label of “elite” on those who disagreed. He should understand that public mood now.’ In response to polls showing that large majorities want Cummings to step down, Maitlis and her colleagues are enjoying a rare thing indeed for the broadcast media: being on the right side of public opinion. All it took was a week of sustained hysteria, misreporting and, in her case, the suspension of impartiality.

The BBC was soon hit by a backlash. Earlier today the BBC’s complaints page flagged that it had been ‘receiving some complaints about the introduction to Newsnight on 26 May’. The social-media clip of the monologue was deleted. Now the BBC has announced that the monologue ‘did not meet our standards of due impartiality’. Though it did ludicrously claim it was intended as a ‘summary of the questions we would examine’, despite the fact that Maitlis has form when it comes to having pops at people on-air.

Cummings Derangement Syndrome isn’t a malady limited to Maitlis or the BBC. The broadcast media’s often hysterical and principle-free pursuit of Cummings in recent days has been remarkable. On Monday, Sky News’ Adam Boulton falsely accused a commentator, Darren Grimes, of having worked for Cummings. Then when Grimes raised comments made by Dr Jenny Harries, the deputy chief medical officer, Boulton dismissed her as a ‘government mouthpiece’. Many have thrown caution and impartiality guidelines to the wind in their desperation to damn Cummings and claim his scalp.

But this didn’t come out of nowhere. None of this is about coronavirus. If it were, the media probably wouldn’t have spent the best part of a week banging on about one adviser’s trip to Barnard Castle – rather than, say, the carnage in care homes. This is about a metropolitan media class that has become so self-important that it is blind to its own biases, confused about the difference between opinion and facts, and increasingly hysterical when it doesn’t get its way. In the end, it wasn’t Brexit or Boris or Cummings that turned the UK media into an assembly of one-note culture warriors. They’ve done that all by themselves.

Tom Slater is deputy editor at spiked.


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Why they hate Sweden

Sweden’s civilised and open approach is an important challenge to lockdown mania.


FRASER MYERS
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Sweden, seen from abroad at least, usually symbolises moderation, practicality and fairness (think Abba, IKEA and social democracy). That is until the coronavirus struck. Now you are more likely to hear Sweden described as ‘reckless’ and ‘dangerous’. Its government is accused of cruelly subjecting its citizens to a deadly, Darwinian ‘experiment’. Where Sweden may have once been hailed as a blueprint for the social-democratic left, its apparently murderous policies now make it a ‘model’ for the hard right. The international media now malign this formerly inoffensive country in the kind of language usually thrown at dictatorships like Saudi Arabia rather than Scandinavia.

Of course, as everyone knows by now, the reason Sweden has been blacklisted is that it has steadfastly refused to implement a full lockdown. Life is by no means normal in Sweden. Gatherings of over 50 people are banned, as are visits to elderly care homes. Those who can are encouraged to work from home. Public-transport use has fallen dramatically. But in contrast to the rest of Europe, bars, cafes, restaurants and businesses have remained open. Schools have stayed open for all pupils under 16. There are guidelines on social distancing and hygiene but these are not enforced by the law. Sweden’s critics accuse it of pursuing a herd-immunity strategy – though this is denied by the authorities.

So how has Sweden done? Originally, the aim of lockdown was to ‘flatten the curve’ — that is, slow the spread of the virus sufficiently to avoid overwhelming hospital capacity. This horror scenario was the key justification for the suspension of civil liberties and the decimation of our economies. But in Sweden, this has not happened.

However, since the lockdowns began, the goalposts have been moved. Now lockdowns are promoted as a means for reducing cases and deaths outright. And even on these dishonest new terms, Sweden’s results are pretty average: whether in terms of raw numbers or taken per capita, it currently falls below the UK, France, Italy and Spain, all of which had lockdowns. At the time of writing, just over 4,000 people have died.

An Oxford University study which tracks the stringency of government responses across the world shows that it has little bearing on deaths. It finds that in terms of overall excess mortality (which includes all non-Covid deaths), Sweden has suffered more deaths than it otherwise would have – there is a pandemic on, after all – but in a similar proportion to locked-down Switzerland. In contrast, the UK, Spain and the Netherlands, which had lockdowns, have had extremely high excess mortality rates compared to usual.

Sweden has certainly had failures. People in care homes or receiving at-home care account for three-quarters of Sweden’s Covid death toll. ‘We failed to protect our elderly’, admitted Sweden’s health minister health minister Lena Hallengren. There is also a worryingly disproportionate number of ethnic minorities among Sweden’s Covid cases, which is partly down to the state’s failure to communicate the dangers to migrant communities.

Overall, Sweden may be an outlier in its approach, but it is not an outlier in terms of the consequences. And this is intolerable to the pro-lockdown hardliners. As a result, any bad-sounding news is seized on as evidence that Sweden has failed horribly – and by implication that we should think twice about relaxing our own restrictions, despite their mounting effects.

For instance, last week, a Telegraph article claimed in its headline that Sweden had the ‘highest death per capita’. It was gleefully shared and retweeted. The article itself included the important qualifier ‘over the past seven days’ rather than the course of the pandemic. The headline was later changed to reflect this. Quite why it is useful to compare deaths-per-capita in a week in late May when weekly deaths across Europe are approaching pre-pandemic levels is anybody’s guess. The dubious honour of highest deaths per capita overall goes to Belgium, which had a strict lockdown which it introduced around the same time as France. To attack Belgium for its handling of the virus would invite uncomfortable questions about the effectiveness of the lockdown policy, so Sweden is attacked instead.

Nevertheless, this factoid was enough for Nick Cohen in the Guardian to declare Sweden’s policy ‘a deadly folly’. Perhaps the likes of Cohen will soon be calling for humanitarian intervention to topple the barbarous social-democratic regime. His diatribe includes another favoured bad-news story of the Sweden-haters. A study from the end of April found that just 7.3 per cent of Stockholmers had developed antibodies for Covid-19. This was taken to mean that Swedes were dropping like flies but were not developing the herd immunity which might protect them in future. The Public Health Agency’s modelling for more recent weeks has put it at just over 20 per cent. You can guess which figure made all the headlines.

Commentators also delight in the fact that Sweden’s economy has taken a large hit, even without as many restrictive measures. This is supposed to show that concerns for the economy, poverty and unemployment are misplaced and that whatever pain the lockdown causes is a necessary evil. An article in the Critic, which slurs Sweden’s policy as ‘live free and die’, points to the European Commission’s forecast of a 6.1 per cent collapse in GDP. But again, Sweden’s results are middling. It forecasts a 7.4 per cent drop for the EU as a whole. Some lockdown countries are anticipating staggering levels of economic pain: Italy’s GDP is expected to contract by 9.5 per cent and Spain by 9.4 per cent. This too will cost lives.

One sleight of hand which disguises Sweden’s fundamental averageness is that its critics tend to compare it to other Scandinavian countries, and never to Europe or the world as a whole. Norway, Denmark and Finland have indeed fared much better in handling their outbreaks than Sweden at this stage. But comparing ‘similar’ countries is an exercise which is rarely repeated in other circumstances – witness, for instance, the absurd attempts to compare New Zealand to the UK (New Zealand, for one thing, has more sheep than people).

Besides, the news coming out of Norway and Denmark is not good for lockdown hardliners, either. Health chiefs in Norway recently discovered that the so-called R-number (the rate at which the virus spreads) was below one and transmission was in decline before its lockdown was put in place. This led the head of Norway’s public-health agency to conclude that ‘we could possibly have achieved the same effects and avoided some of the unfortunate impacts by not locking down, but by instead keeping open but with infection-control measures’.

Meanwhile in Denmark, public-health experts claim that the prime minister ‘abused healthcare advice’ by telling the nation that its lockdown was recommended by ‘the authorities’ (taken by most to mean the Danish Health Authority and the infectious-diseases agency). In fact, the Danish Health Authority had recommended very few of the draconian measures which were eventually implemented. According to the Local, in February Søren Brostrøm, the authority’s director, ‘signed a recommendation which specifically excluded measures which interfered with Danes’ freedom, except in extreme circumstances’. No doubt as the costs of lockdown pile up, and the coronavirus itself recedes from view, few will want to be seen responsible for the disaster.

Time will tell if the Swedes develop herd immunity to Covid-19 before the rest of us do, or before a miracle cure arrives. But Sweden deserves credit for its immunity to Covid hysteria, and for maintaining its open and civilised approach in the face of international outrage.

Fraser Myers is a staff writer at spiked and host of the spiked podcast. Follow him on Twitter: @FraserMyers.


https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/28/why-they-hate-sweden/