Edward Snowden to deliver Channel 4's Alternative Christmas Message 2013
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I'm fed up of the Left Wing Channel 4 and it's depraved and out-of-touch left wing way of thinking.
You would think?? So that means your not sure and just trying to taint the waters with a statement with no fact.. you're pissing in a rain storm.
Have you ever been to Russia??
Russia ‘Freer than US’ – Kremlin Official
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How can America consider itself to be a “free” country when it has the highest incarceration rate in the world, higher than all those other “despotic” regimes like Iran, Russia, and China? It would seem that these other “despotic” countries have a higher amount of freedom in some regard.
The relative greater degree and extent of freedom in these countries is borne of a misunderstanding of the true nature of “freedom” as it relates to free will and freedom of choice.
In those “despotic” nations, although one’s freedom of behavior may be more curtained than in America, the freedom of choice still belongs to the individual. In other words, even if the government puts a gun to your head and says “do this or else,” the freedom to decide your own fate is still in your own hands.
You have the freedom to oppose and speak out in those countries, as you do in America. It is simply that the consequences for doing so are harsher. But the freedom to choose to speak out and oppose the government is still yours.
The reason America is less free is because in America your freedom is always in the government’s hands. With the “war on terror,” the government decides if you are opposing the government, not you.
You are not given the choice to decide your own fate according to predetermined and known rules set by the government; the government makes that choice for you. Instead of putting the gun to your head and giving you the freedom of choice to decide your own fate, the American government simply comes up and figuratively shoots you, and you have no say or choice of any kind in the matter. The laws in America are arbitrarily enforced, whereas the more consistent enforcement of harsher laws by society as a whole actually results in a greater degree of freedom for the individual.
If your freedom can be taken away arbitrarily at any time by someone else, you are not truly free. Your freedom is not in your own hands, but someone else’s. You do not own your freedom; someone else does. It is merely an illusion of freedom. A little bit of real freedom that others cannot take away can be real freedom than total freedom that may be revoked at the arbitrary discretion of others. This explains why America, a theoretically “free nation,” can have the highest incarceration rate in the world in comparison to other “less free” countries, and how these other “less free” countries can actually have comparatively more freedom.
We have so many laws in this country that anyone can be arrested for anything and then convicted of it. As one famous Russian prosecutor said: “Give me the man and I will find the crime.”
Freedom is never absolute. With the highest incarceration rate in the world, there is no question that, at least for all those people, America is not a free country is the “quantitative” sense of the word, especially compared to what the American government tells us are not “free” countries like Russia and China. If you examine the qualitative nature of true freedom, you can see too that perhaps America has a lesser quality of freedom than those countries as well.
If freedom is not free, then what is? Slavery?
If freedom is not free, who is charging you to exercise your inalienable right to freedom? You are certainly the one paying for it. But that raises the question: Who are you paying for your freedom? Who is buying and selling your freedom? Who is trading in your freedom?
“Freedom is slavery.”
“Ignorance is strength.”
“War is peace.”
source: Why Russia and China have more freedom than America
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I received a thumbs down from you. I must be right and you wrong. Thanks for the recantation.
Ah yes. Mustn't shake up the status quo, now, must we. You like being a wage and tax slave for the ruling class? You like them controlling your life? Sad!
Coming from a guy that lives off the taxpayer.
They pay me very good money for doing things I like so why not?
Wow, personal attacks.. not good form..
Congratulations you found a well paying job that you like.. if we could be all as fortunate as you.. so what do you do??
...anyhow Taxslave here is a link for you..
Peter Van Buren: A Child's Guide to Why NSA Surveillance is Bad
Maybe speaking to your level will help you understand why the NSA spying is bad for US Citizens..
As far as the NSA spying on Canada and the UK as well as other nations... have at'er, spy away. With all those new Canadians being let in and Canada's lacks Immigration.. the US needs to protect itself.
Snowden isn't perfect-heroes never are-but there is no doubt he's a hero by any measure of the term.
I don't really care that much if the US government spys on it's citizens. With all the raving loons in the tea party and overseas terrorists around they probably should. More concerned about them spying on Canada but then we all do it so it is probably a wash in the end.
I would rather live in America than China, as they DO have a lot more freedom. The reason there are less incarcerations in China is that they execute so many more people than in America. If someone is on Death Row in the States it can take years before it's carried out. In China it doesn't take long at all. And Russia seemed to have no problem throwing a nice prison sentence to the Pusscat Dolls, and forgive me if I don't have a lot of faith in a statement by a Kremlin official. Of course he's going to say that. What is he going to say? "Yes, America is more free than Russia!"
If I had to leave Canada and live in one of those three countries, I would chose America every time, warts and all.
Nah, Canada has let way to many Muzzies into the country, and there are way to many lefty eco terrorists.. The US should spy on Canada and it's citizens... I'm all for it.. actually I would like to see Canadians be required a visa like Mexicans to enter the USA.. screen them before they come here..
I mean if we are going to have an NSA, use it to check on those abroad who may come to the USA and do harm and those who have the easiest access to the USA is Canada.
Really it may be time to build a wall between Canada and the USA... way to many Canadians think it's a right to come to the USA..
Watching America Â*Â*:Â*Â* » Border Politics: A Wall between Canada and the United States?
Yes, and I doubt he access to any of it. What he doesn't know won't hurt him. Putin and his pals must get a good chuckle over this righteous blowhard.
