Duffy found not guilty of charges of fraud, breach of trust

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All that can be taken from the verdict is the chance of his guilt is less than certain, probably between zero and 99.9%! The system definitely needs tightening up! It will be interesting to see if Justin is going to do that. :)
 

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Apparently Duffy as he was just cleared of all charges!


And the Don Martin of CTV tweets thus:

Starting to wonder if Stephen Harper was on trial with Duffy and didn't know it. The judge's verdict evicerating the Harper PMO.

I tend to agree. I wonder what the political leanings of this judge are? Cough cough.
 

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He leans toward justice, which is why he would be naturally offended by a seedy character like Harper.


Duffy judgment shines light on Harper’s PMO, state of Canadian governance

With Duffy fully reinstated in the Senate and former PMO staff scattered to the winds, NDP MP Peter Julian was left to wonder, "who's taking responsibility for this fiasco?"

John McKay, a veteran Liberal MP who's now parliamentary secretary to the defence minister, gave a surprisingly frank response when asked how Canadians can know that the same old centralized power won't continue in the Prime Minister's Office.

"In some respects you don't," said McKay.

He then pointed to Trudeau's decision to remove all Liberal-appointed senators from the party caucus and create a more partisanship-free Senate appointment process.

"That creates its own level of difficulties," said McKay. "In fact, we're in kind of a no-man's land as to how we get our own legislation through."

Nonetheless, McKay called Vaillancourt's judgment good for democracy.

"I wish it was not so, but I think the judge has done us all a service to call our democracy to an account. And thank goodness we operate under the rule of law, and not under the rule of gossip."

Duffy judgment shines light on Harper’s PMO, state of Canadian governance | National Newswatch
 

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He leans toward justice
 

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:lol: What your making this out to be. Harper wasn't as evil as they made him out to be. It was just a political hype tactic to vilify him.
 

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:lol: What your making this out to be. Harper wasn't as evil as they made him out to be. It was just a political hype tactic to vilify him.

I sure wish that he would be even slightly public, right now. His extreme aloofness is making him look like Richard Nixon after he was deposed. Does he have a problem? Was the P.M.O. really as creepy a place as the Duffy trial maskes it out to be?

Come on, Steven say SOMETHING! You are looking guilty of something!
 

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All that can be taken from the verdict is the chance of his guilt is less than certain, probably between zero and 99.9%! The system definitely needs tightening up! It will be interesting to see if Justin is going to do that. :)

I would not want to live in a society where people are not considered innocent and can be convicted even if there is reasonable doubt. I accept that occasionally this will allow a criminal, like Omar the Terrorist, to run free. But the alternative is not a society which I would enjoy living in.
 

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Duffy knows more and kept his mouth shut and all politicians are breathing easier
face it the question about the check barely got scant mention by the prosecution.
It also appears the wrong people might have been on trial Duffy combined business
with party functions a practice long held as OK by all.
We are no closer to the truth now than when it all started
Do you know about Max Harb ? What is your opinion ?
 

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The salt defence committee is out in full force today.

Conbots will never learn that it's about values, not money.


That's why they are naturally, morally corrupt.

So far as I know the dippers are the only party ever convicted of stealing from charities. Now that is about as corrupt as it gets.

When there are no dollars in your pocket, you will not be posting here I am sure.



The country was in a rare state of transition at the time and the collateral damage was a temporary penalty.

You could see that in the poll numbers of the past and those that followed as the CPC never met beyond 42% approval.

They can't even break 30% now.


It's because they are targetting a dying base that most rational Canadians would recognize as abhorrent.

We have noticed that your kind do not like working taxpayers.
 

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I would not want to live in a society where people are not considered innocent and can be convicted even if there is reasonable doubt. I accept that occasionally this will allow a criminal, like Omar the Terrorist, to run free. But the alternative is not a society which I would enjoy living in.


I must have missed some important news! What terrorism has Omar been up to lately? Actually, what terrorism has Omar ever been up to? :) :)

I would not want to live in a society where people are not considered innocent and can be convicted even if there is reasonable doubt.


Neither would I. :)

The outcome of the trial is in no way a reflection on Harper, other than the fact some policies may not have been ironclad enough. In our system NOT guilty can be interpreted as a 99% chance of NOT innocent either! :) :)
 

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He leans toward justice, which is why he would be naturally offended by a seedy character like Harper.
Seedy as in demanding that Duffy pay the money back. Ill conceived or not. The PMO was still trying to fix the Duffy mess. But you carry on with your spin there Floss, if Duffy had been found guilty you would have called him a corrupt con-bot.
 

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8 of the most scathing quotes about the former PMO in the Duffy judgment

1. “If anyone was under the impression that this organization was a benign group of bureaucrats taking care of the day -to-day tasks associated with the prime minister, they would be mistaken.”

2. “In the case of Senator Duffy’s situation, the common theme was to get it done. The “it” refers to the political storm created by Senator Duffy’s residency and expense issues. The goal was to calm that storm. As the evidence will reveal, the methods employed to achieve a successful outcome to the problem seemed to have known no bounds."

3. “Was Nigel Wright actually ordering senior members of the Senate around as if they were mere pawns on a chessboard? Were those same senior members of the Senate meekly acquiescing to Mr. Wright’s orders? Were those same senior members of the Senate robotically marching forth to recite their provided scripted lines?... The answers to the aforementioned questions are: YES; YES; YES; YES; YES; and YES!!!!!”

4. “The political, covert, relentless, unfolding of events is mindboggling and shocking. The precision and planning of the exercise would make any military commander proud. However, in the context of a democratic society, the plotting as revealed in the emails can only be described as unacceptable.”

5. “I have included the emails earlier in this judgment to highlight the unbelievable lengths that Mr. Wright and his crew went to in order to deal with the quote “Duffy Problem”. Could Hollywood match such creativity? To say that the circumstances of this case are unusual amounts to gross understatement.”

6. “The PMO employed a two-pronged approach to deal with Senator Duffy. The primary approach involved the use of a steady stream of threats and pressure being applied from all quarters. These have been well documented throughout this judgment. The other approach involved using the “do the right thing” message. It is interesting that no one ever suggested doing “the legal thing”. The message was always to ‘do the right thing’.”

7. “I find that the “do the right thing” message had only one meaning. Senator Duffy was to do the politically right thing by admitting “his mistake” and repaying back the accrued living expenses.”

8. “I agree that this entire 'Scenario' was not for the benefit of Senate Duffy but rather, it was for the benefit of the government and the PMO. This was damage control at its finest.”

8 of the most scathing quotes about the former PMO in the Duffy judgment | CTV News
 

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Duffy knows more and kept his mouth shut and all politicians are breathing easier
face it the question about the check barely got scant mention by the prosecution.
It also appears the wrong people might have been on trial Duffy combined business
with party functions a practice long held as OK by all.
We are no closer to the truth now than when it all started

To all those pointing to adscam or other cases and decrying the penalties you are not paying attention to what the Judge has said.

What the Judge has said that this was a targeted collusive effort by the PMO's Office, The RCMP and the Crown to railroad Duffy.

And that is what's really wrong and scary about this case.

Questions we need answered ; Why was Duffy the big target to begin with? And if Duffy was charged with accepting a bribe, why was no one ever charged with offering that bribe?

I don't like Duffy. Never did. I always found him to be a loud narcissist who as a reporter committed fact free hatchet jobs on people he didn't like and the favouritism he lavished on Stephen Harper and the Cons to get a Senate position was just as tasteless.

And maybe it's because Duffy is such a narcissist that he was able to survive this.

Despite his ailing health, Duffy did what many others might not have. Alone, he stood up to a corrupt prime minister, corrupt officials in the prime minister's office and the Tory Senate leadership, and, I suspect, a disturbingly compromised national police force. Think you could have done that?

I have been involved in a similar scenario and even though I was not the one targeted but clandestinely assisting the targeted one via legal letters and advise, it is a very stressful situation. And the person I was supporting is himself a narcissist, which is why others tried to 'take him out' legally but possibly could be a trait as to how he not only survived that affair but persevered. Thankfully in this case we also had a Judge who did the sniff test and determined that the 'accused' was the victim of 'collusive smear' and he prevailed. He also did very well in the financial settlement.

I could go on but someone sent me this Michael Harris article which is worth a read..........

After Duffy, a question: Who owns our justice system? – iPolitics





 

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To all those pointing to adscam or other cases and decrying the penalties you are not paying attention to what the Judge has said.

What the Judge has said that this was a targeted collusive effort by the PMO's Office, The RCMP and the Crown to railroad Duffy.

And that is what's really wrong and scary about this case.

Questions we need answered ; Why was Duffy the big target to begin with? And if Duffy was charged with accepting a bribe, why was no one ever charged with offering that bribe?

I don't like Duffy.


I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I also have very little use for the porcine, egotistical, sneaky little creature, not that I have a hell of a lot more use for Harper as a humanitarian. I don't think Duffy was innocent by any means...................he took advantage of what he thought he could get away with. As far as the $90 grand is concerned he owed the debt, he repaid the debt and the rest is a matter between Duffy and Nigel. I'll bet the trial cost ten times the amount Duffy "stole"...............if that's the proper word.
 

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To all those pointing to adscam or other cases and decrying the penalties you are not paying attention to what the Judge has said.

What the Judge has said that this was a targeted collusive effort by the PMO's Office, The RCMP and the Crown to railroad Duffy.

And that is what's really wrong and scary about this case.

Questions we need answered ; Why was Duffy the big target to begin with? And if Duffy was charged with accepting a bribe, why was no one ever charged with offering that bribe?

I don't like Duffy. Never did. I always found him to be a loud narcissist who as a reporter committed fact free hatchet jobs on people he didn't like and the favouritism he lavished on Stephen Harper and the Cons to get a Senate position was just as tasteless.

And maybe it's because Duffy is such a narcissist that he was able to survive this.

Despite his ailing health, Duffy did what many others might not have. Alone, he stood up to a corrupt prime minister, corrupt officials in the prime minister's office and the Tory Senate leadership, and, I suspect, a disturbingly compromised national police force. Think you could have done that?

I have been involved in a similar scenario and even though I was not the one targeted but clandestinely assisting the targeted one via legal letters and advise, it is a very stressful situation. And the person I was supporting is himself a narcissist, which is why others tried to 'take him out' legally but possibly could be a trait as to how he not only survived that affair but persevered. Thankfully in this case we also had a Judge who did the sniff test and determined that the 'accused' was the victim of 'collusive smear' and he prevailed. He also did very well in the financial settlement.

I could go on but someone sent me this Michael Harris article which is worth a read..........

After Duffy, a question: Who owns our justice system? – iPolitics






So the message the Judge said is, whole thing is corrupt. Everything. And. My answer was.

Yes we know that. Are you just figuring this out just now? We have known it's corrupt for years now.

What we are conserned about is the level, not if there is any. We know there will always be corruption.

We are conserned with the very big ones that are worth spending billion investigating and putting in court.

But your not listening.

If you want to spend millions for a horse and pony show and get nothing out of it your a twit.
 

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But the PMO did it when Nigel Wright wrote a bribe cheque for ninety grand.

Taxpayers didn't fork-out the $90k and one man's allegations of bribery are to be weighed against another man's statement that it wasn't

In terms of my subjective opinion, Duffy's greed lead directly to this investigation and he ain't out of the woods quite yet
 

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The Conservative Party has continuously use the Canadian justice system for means to act out their intentions, As they go delivering what they do is what matters,the end results is not about delivering Justice,the process is about intimidation, causing misery,cooking the information and I will show you mentality.
I have gathered lots of information which examples such play,strange thing is how the CP party can manipulate even justice to conceal the delivery of justice. I for one am not surprised how a justice was wh predicted,was their any doubt?i hope mr Duffy takes the pc party to the cleaners.i think I am going to write the justice proceeding over this circus and remind him he was wh ores and looked foolish doing it.