Duffy found not guilty of charges of fraud, breach of trust

[JLM]

.. And I answered Angstrom's comment. Further, obviously all the criteria were in place as the trial did proceed.

I'll ask you again, with your remarkably high standard of the suspect being deemed guilty in advance, then why bother at all?

So you are convinced the public good was well served by the expense! Don't you think the acquittal casts doubt upon the first one? As far as your last comment is concerned, I would never be so stupid as to predict the outcome of a trial as far as guilt or not is concerned. You may be better served by saving your drivel for those less astute than I.

The judge and the electorate have no idea the work that's put into winning a election.

Not to mention a whole pile of skulduggery.

 

[Locutus]

so duffy was cleared and Stephen Harper did nothing of course so everyone is good. maybe one day the mad hatters will pursue whomever they think did the bad thing but for now, it's cool.

obama will be replaced soon enough, shiny pony is becoming exposed so things are starting to looking up.

 

[personal touch]

8 of the most scathing quotes about the former PMO in the Duffy judgment

1. “If anyone was under the impression that this organization was a benign group of bureaucrats taking care of the day -to-day tasks associated with the prime minister, they would be mistaken.”

2. “In the case of Senator Duffy’s situation, the common theme was to get it done. The “it” refers to the political storm created by Senator Duffy’s residency and expense issues. The goal was to calm that storm. As the evidence will reveal, the methods employed to achieve a successful outcome to the problem seemed to have known no bounds."

3. “Was Nigel Wright actually ordering senior members of the Senate around as if they were mere pawns on a chessboard? Were those same senior members of the Senate meekly acquiescing to Mr. Wright’s orders? Were those same senior members of the Senate robotically marching forth to recite their provided scripted lines?... The answers to the aforementioned questions are: YES; YES; YES; YES; YES; and YES!!!!!”

4. “The political, covert, relentless, unfolding of events is mindboggling and shocking. The precision and planning of the exercise would make any military commander proud. However, in the context of a democratic society, the plotting as revealed in the emails can only be described as unacceptable.”

5. “I have included the emails earlier in this judgment to highlight the unbelievable lengths that Mr. Wright and his crew went to in order to deal with the quote “Duffy Problem”. Could Hollywood match such creativity? To say that the circumstances of this case are unusual amounts to gross understatement.”

6. “The PMO employed a two-pronged approach to deal with Senator Duffy. The primary approach involved the use of a steady stream of threats and pressure being applied from all quarters. These have been well documented throughout this judgment. The other approach involved using the “do the right thing” message. It is interesting that no one ever suggested doing “the legal thing”. The message was always to ‘do the right thing’.”

7. “I find that the “do the right thing” message had only one meaning. Senator Duffy was to do the politically right thing by admitting “his mistake” and repaying back the accrued living expenses.”

8. “I agree that this entire 'Scenario' was not for the benefit of Senate Duffy but rather, it was for the benefit of the government and the PMO. This was damage control at its finest.”

8 of the most scathing quotes about the former PMO in the Duffy judgment | CTV News

I think these quotes from this Justice is something we all ready know ,so my question is if so many did know this of the PMO office,why did this Justice not know,is he acting?is he that ignorant about the meddling of political agendas,this is what I query about these statements.
What this Justice needs to know he was used,chosen and who red!So many Justices have played the game,to me the Justice presents as of ill character by playing ignorance

 

[Angstrom]

I think these quotes from this Justice is something we all ready know ,so my question is if so many did know this of the PMO office,why did this Justice not know,is he acting?is he that ignorant about the meddling of political agendas,this is what I query about these statements.
What this Justice needs to know he was used,chosen and who red!So many Justices have played the game,to me the Justice presents as of ill character by playing ignorance

That's why I keep saying this is all underwhelming. It was all over hyped due to election time. The judge is playing dumb and saying exactly what the twits want to here.

But there are no consequences for anyone. It's a horse and pony show for the twits of this country.

 

[personal touch]

I am praying Mr Duffy sued the *** of the PMO office,I pray for a constitutional lawyer to be brave enough to take this on.

 

[Angstrom]

I am praying Mr Duffy sued the *** of the PMO office,I pray for a constitutional lawyer to be brave enough to take this on.

Because Harper told Duffy to use his secondary address he already owned as his primary address to be eligible for PEI senator?

 

[personal touch]

I have always believed Duffy s appointment was a set up from the beginning,like the Justice her was chosen

The construction of the design states loud and clear what the intentions were from the appointment of Mr Duffy

 

[Angstrom]

I have always believed Duffy s appointment was a set up from the beginning,like the Justice her was chosen

The construction of the design states loud and clear what the intentions were from the appointment of Mr Duffy

what is it you want them to convict who with? Explain yourself.

I have always believed Duffy s appointment was a set up from the beginning,like the Justice her was chosen

The construction of the design states loud and clear what the intentions were from the appointment of Mr Duffy

How do you suggest we get this kind of statement? Water bord him till he sais what we want to here?

 

[personal touch]

Conviction?not really but what I would recommend for Canadians is an audit into the design of what happened then again why waste more of our money

 

[Angstrom]

Conviction?not really but what I would recommend for Canadians is an audit into the design of what happened then again why waste more of our money

We already know. Your the only one that still doesn't.

I have always believed Duffy s appointment was a set up from the beginning,like the Justice her was chosen

The construction of the design states loud and clear what the intentions were from the appointment of Mr Duffy

Maybe we can publicly execute the next conservative representative to be caught J-walking to help satisfy your hatred and perceived injustices brought by all things conservative.

Would this appease your maddened demands of justice be done?

Maybe we can hang him off a tree on the parlament hill while you watch and shout and cheer and throw vegetables at him?

 

[tay]

I see... So it was wrong for the PMO to alert the appropriate bodies of possible missuses of the taxpayers money.[/QUOTE

NO!


That would have been the correct thing to do IF there had been a misuse or fraud and we all fell hook line and sinker for that storyline although there was contradictory evidence being published all along. And it was confusing because no one seemed to know just what are the rules.

What was wrong, as the Judge said, is to have the PM's Office, the Senate Committee, the RCMP and the Crown colluded on a scheme to smear Duffy.

What we don't know yet is why.

And at this point I'm wondering what was motivating Nigel Wright (see [962]).

The Judge has said Duff's housing claims were legit 'under the present Senate rules'.

Duffy had proof that he asked all the right questions of all the right people and was told that those deductions were legitimate and everyone against him knew this which is even more startling.........


[902] Senator Tkachuk’s responses included: that Duffy’s living expense claims are “entirely within the rules”; that there is no reason for Senator Duffy not to claim the housing allowance; that Senator Duffy has a home here, so he can charge the daily rate; that there is no test to determine whether a Senator actually lives in his or her primary residence; that a lot of other Senators stay here all winter and then go home for the summer; and many Senators make similar claims for housing expenses.

[909] The PMO and Senate leadership seemed content with Senator Duffy’s four years (2009-2012) of living expense claims and viewed them to be valid and entirely within the rules.


[961] On Wednesday, February 20th, however, Senator Duffy was still resisting. He wanted to see any purported legal analysis that his living expense claims were in violation of existing Senate rules (as he believes they were not) and his lawyer wanted to see the mandate to Deloitte (she had already written seeking a meeting so that Senator Duffy could provide documentation to Deloitte) (email #141).

[962] Nigel Wright responds that Deloitte will find against Senator Duffy (email #142), but does not advise Senator Duffy that his own legal analysis (done February 7th, 2 weeks prior) supports Senator Duffy’s view that his living expense claims are probably all within the existing Senate rules.

[964] On the 20th, Senator Duffy confided in his own lawyer that Nigel Wright had called him on both the 19th and 20th. Senator Duffy advised his lawyer about all the “urging” calls/pressure he had been receiving, about the threats that he would be “alone” with respect to his own party, and about the media and the opposition being against him unless he went along with the proposed scenario. A further threat was made “obvious” to Senator Duffy by Nigel Wright, namely, that the Steering Committee (the majority of which consisted of Senator Tkachuk and Senator Stewart-Olsen, two members of the “small group” working on the scenario with the PMO) would declare Senator Duffy constitutionally unqualified unless Senator Duffy took “the dive” and acquiesced to the PMO’s mistake-repay scenario. (email #155 & 156). Nigel Wright even suggested to Senator Duffy that he listen to Mr. Wright rather than to his own lawyer (Ms. Payne) as he, Mr. Wright, was in a better position to determine the propriety of the living expense claims under the rules. Mr. Bayne found this approach by Mr. Wright to amount to cunning hypocrisy considering Mr. Wright’s own analysis supported the validity of those claims.

[965] Ms. Payne, Senator Duffy’s lawyer, replied the same evening to Senator Duffy, that she was “flabbergasted” at the pressure and tactics of the PMO. She agreed that “capitulating now in advance of Deloitte” was unwise and that she had so advised the PMO’s lawyer (Mr. Perrin). Ms. Payne described Mr. Perrin’s offer, on behalf of the PMO of media lines (“strategies around communication” from “communications specialists, very talented”). She also communicated to Senator Duffy that Mr. Perrin warned not to wait for (and cooperate with) the Deloitte audit. Ms. Payne pointed out that the PMO counsel “started to heat up his tone” and encouraged Senator Duffy to “move fast”. Mr. Perrin offered support on constitutional residency (eligibility) issue. (emails #157, 158

 

[JLM]

I suspect that everyone involved in charging Duffy were a bunch of idiots- the operative word being "suspect".
What chapter, verse, section, subsection and clause in the law book did Duffy breech? Why weren't charges laid at the conclusion of day one of committing the breech? How did the cost of the whole charade compare with the amount purportedly purloined?

 

[Angstrom]

I suspect that everyone involved in charging Duffy were a bunch of idiots- the operative word being "suspect".
What chapter, verse, section, subsection and clause in the law book did Duffy breech? Why weren't charges laid at the conclusion of day one of committing the breech? How did the cost of the whole charade compare with the amount purportedly purloined?

Because it was just a horse and pony show to appease the opposition trying to fabricate a scandal, out of a J-walking incident, to create a perception of corruption within the Conservative party to throw Harper out of office.

Out of a small technicality that the PMO told Duffy to use his secondary address as his primary to be legible to be PEI senator.

 

[captain morgan]

NO!


That would have been the correct thing to do IF there had been a misuse or fraud and we all fell hook line and sinker for that storyline although there was contradictory evidence being published all along. And it was confusing because no one seemed to know just what are the rules.

Ummmm, didn't Duffy have to repay the $90k?

Without Wright giving him the cash to actually return the cash, it would have been something like theft and or fraud.

You guys seem to forget all about that

What was wrong, as the Judge said, is to have the PM's Office, the Senate Committee, the RCMP and the Crown colluded on a scheme to smear Duffy.

Nothing illegal about that, hell Flossy would be serving about 15,000 years if that was a crime

 

[#juan]

I can understand the reluctance to prosecute Duffy for something everybody is doing. On the other hand the rules are enough to drive anyone to tears. Duffy should be suing Harper and his PMO for harassment or something. I'm confused by the bribery charge because bribery requires two people........One to offer the bribe, and another to accept the bribe.....

 

[Locutus]

anyway, this little insignificant political hiccup sure stopped people from noticing shiny pony too much, for awhile.

oh well, this too shall pass. :lol:

 

[Angstrom]

I can understand the reluctance to prosecute Duffy for something everybody is doing. On the other hand the rules are enough to drive anyone to tears. Duffy should be suing Harper and his PMO for harassment or something. I'm confused by the bribery charge because bribery requires two people........One to offer the bribe, and another to accept the bribe.....

Everyone that was doing something wrong was ordered to pay the expenses back.

 

[JLM]

Ummmm, didn't Duffy have to repay the $90k?

Without Wright giving him the cash to actually return the cash, it would have been something like theft and or fraud.

You guys seem to forget all about that
The operative word being "without"!



Nothing illegal about that, hell Flossy would be serving about 15,000 years if that was a crime

Well, maybe the first 50 years of it.

I can understand the reluctance to prosecute Duffy for something everybody is doing. On the other hand the rules are enough to drive anyone to tears. Duffy should be suing Harper and his PMO for harassment or something. I'm confused by the bribery charge because bribery requires two people........One to offer the bribe, and another to accept the bribe.....

There's something "rotten in Denmark" when a person can break a law for 3 or 4 years before anyone decides to do something about it. Was the up coming election a catalyst here? The $90 grand owed was repaid, W.T.F. would anyone want to go into it any deeper?

I see... So it was wrong for the PMO to alert the appropriate bodies of possible missuses of the taxpayers money.

Does misuse of money have to lead to a full blown trial?

 

[Angstrom]

It was funny to watch all the twits who where jumping on the hype, band wagon in the last election.
It really gave a perception of a Real big Harper corruption scandal.

Harper really got railroad by the left :lol:

They did a really good job of making him out to look like a serial killer.

 

[JLM]

It was funny to watch all the twits who where jumping on the hype, band wagon in the last election.
It really gave a perception of a Real big Harper corruption scandal.

Harper really got railroad by the left :lol:

They did a really good job of making him out to look like a serial killer.

Maybe Harper's biggest fault was being oblivious to the handwriting on the wall!