Drunk B.C. teen set ablaze, filmed after passing out at party

[damngrumpy]

God when I think of some of the things we did it makes me cringe. I can remember outrunning the cops
in old cars from the forties, no lights no licence, and we used off road paths where the sixties cop cars
couldn't go.
Yes we raised hell but not something like this.
And parents had nothing to do with it. Once a kid reaches sixteen you could talk to them, or punish them
and it falls on deaf ears. Some have empathy and common sense and some don't and it has nothing to do
with parents. Some people think you can confine their kids and teach them everything that is right. When
they get freedom and out in the world they don't know how to behave as there are too many Kids are all
grown up but we have a lot of grand kids 22 and not one of them has had a police problem, mind you some
are pretty young yet.
Frustrated people with the justice system like to blame parents because they are an easy target to focus on.

 

[JLM]

Another lame excuse. I read the papers and listened to the radio and watched the news. Everyone who thinks a good spanking is wrong tries to say that this all went on as much in the past, well drag up all the court records to prove it. Bet you can't!

Fact is getting my a$$ tanned a couple of times made me think harder before I did anything stupid again and made me a better person in the end.......except for when I microwave kittens

You got that right Nick, but I'm not sure it would work today, when we were kids and got a good thrashing for some nefarious deed, there wasn't one person in the community who would feel sorry for us, today the bleeding hearts would show up in a minute encouraging the kid to sue the old man...............that is after he got out of jail.

 

[karrie]

Another lame excuse. I read the papers and listened to the radio and watched the news. Everyone who thinks a good spanking is wrong tries to say that this all went on as much in the past, well drag up all the court records to prove it. Bet you can't!

Fact is getting my a$$ tanned a couple of times made me think harder before I did anything stupid again and made me a better person in the end.......except for when I microwave kittens

See the rest of my post

 

[JLM]

compare it to how the current crop turned out with all the 'counseling' and 'time-outs' have no doubt my parents and grandparents got it right and the parents of today have it wrong.

"Time outs"- those are a laugh, recently my sister in law was telling me you a supposed to give the kid a time out in accordance with his/her age, I thought that was pretty good and told her six hours sounds about right for a six year old. She says, "no, six minutes, stupid"...................F**K!

God when I think of some of the things we did it makes me cringe. I can remember outrunning the cops
in old cars from the forties, no lights no licence, and we used off road paths where the sixties cop cars
couldn't go.
Yes we raised hell but not something like this.
And parents had nothing to do with it. Once a kid reaches sixteen you could talk to them, or punish them
and it falls on deaf ears. Some have empathy and common sense and some don't and it has nothing to do
with parents. Some people think you can confine their kids and teach them everything that is right. When
they get freedom and out in the world they don't know how to behave as there are too many Kids are all
grown up but we have a lot of grand kids 22 and not one of them has had a police problem, mind you some
are pretty young yet.
Frustrated people with the justice system like to blame parents because they are an easy target to focus on.

I think you are mostly right, but I think the mother working outside the home has to have a bit to do with it and not enough chores after school contributes too.

 

[PoliticalNick]

See the rest of my post

I did. Thanks for elaborating.

 

[gerryh]

Another lame excuse. I read the papers and listened to the radio and watched the news. Everyone who thinks a good spanking is wrong tries to say that this all went on as much in the past, well drag up all the court records to prove it. Bet you can't!

Fact is getting my a$$ tanned a couple of times made me think harder before I did anything stupid again and made me a better person in the end.......except for when I microwave kittens

You got that right Nick, but I'm not sure it would work today, when we were kids and got a good thrashing for some nefarious deed, there wasn't one person in the community who would feel sorry for us, today the bleeding hearts would show up in a minute encouraging the kid to sue the old man...............that is after he got out of jail.

"Time outs"- those are a laugh, recently my sister in law was telling me you a supposed to give the kid a time out in accordance with his/her age, I thought that was pretty good and told her six hours sounds about right for a six year old. She says, "no, six minutes, stupid"...................F**K!



I think you are mostly right, but I think the mother working outside the home has to have a bit to do with it and not enough chores after school contributes too.

Wow, just wow. It appears to me that DG and Karrie are about the only ones that have it right and know what they are talking about. The rest of you are just straight out brain dead.


I've said this before, and I will lay odds that DG will agree with me (one of the few times), I have had 7 kids and not ONE was raised the same way. Not ONE was punished the same way. Not ONE was given the same consequences. Each one was an individual and had to be raised as such. My last 2 boys were angels compared to my first 2. I hardly EVER raised my hand to them. Never needed to.

As for time outs, they work well. 6 hour time outs is completely asinine, ESPECIALLY for a 6 year old. After the first 30 mins they won't even remember why the hell they were timed out.

Now, I was raised with the flat end of a belt, the round end of a spoon, a twitch off a tree, or what ever was handy. I was grounded, and had things taken away from me. That was then, this is now. As parents, we have ALOT more resources available to us to help us raise our children. There is no need to resort to the "beatings" that we used to get growing up. Some of the best psychological punishments can work a hell of a lot better than any wood shed beating.

and as for the moronic comment concerning how much "worse" kids are now than before. My God man, put your brain in gear before you type. That is the EXACT comment people have been making about the younger generation for time immemorial. I heard my Grandparents say it, I heard my parents say it, and now I hear people from my generation saying it. Take your god damn blinders off and see the ENTIRE generation, not just the few miscreants. :roll:

 

[JLM]

Wow, just wow. It appears to me that DG and Karrie are about the only ones that have it right and know what they are talking about. The rest of you are just straight out brain dead.


:roll:

I've said many times, Gerry that lickings should be a last resort, but they do have their time and place, like with little buggers like I was!-

 

[gerryh]

I've said many times, Gerry that lickings should be a last resort, but they do have their time and place, like with little buggers like I was!-

Never said they weren't, BUT, there are those on here, you included, wishing for a return to the "good ol days". There are some of us that do remember what the old wood shed was used for besides cutting and storing wood. When we were sent to the wood shed ahead of the old man, it wasn't to count the number of cords stacked.

 

[JLM]

When I was about five I threatened the little neighbour bitch with my hatchet (she was younger than me, bigger than me and could beat the sh*t out of me) Anyway that little deed got me a few hours in my bedroom. I didn't do that again. (But she carried on being a bitch)-

 

[petros]

Pain works. You only need to touch the stove once to know to never do that again.

 

[WLDB]

WTF is the matter with this generation we raised.

Nothing. At least not any more than any of the previous generations. I really cant stand blaming or criticizing an entire generation for a few acts like this. All generations have their fair share of screw ups and nut jobs. That probably wont change anytime soon. With social media and 24 hour news sites we're just hearing about the obscure stuff a lot more now than we used to. I would not be surprised if a lot of things like this happened in the past and just never made it onto the news as there was more important things going on.

 

[gerryh]

Pain works. You only need to touch the stove once to know to never do that again.

There's more than just physical "pain".

 

[WLDB]

Give me a break. I look at the lack of this sh*t from my generation and the generations prior where we got a trip behind the shed for our misdeeds and compare it to how the current crop turned out with all the 'counseling' and 'time-outs' have no doubt my parents and grandparents got it right and the parents of today have it wrong.

I got those trips and I was born in the late 80s. This stuff is still fairly common in rural areas. It had absolutely no effect on me. Well, aside from the relationship I have with my parents - which for the last 5 years has been next to nothing. I cant respect any person who would hit a child with a weapon, my parents included.

 

[lone wolf]

Give me a break. I look at the lack of this sh*t from my generation and the generations prior where we got a trip behind the shed for our misdeeds and compare it to how the current crop turned out with all the 'counseling' and 'time-outs' have no doubt my parents and grandparents got it right and the parents of today have it wrong.

Who came first - you or Charles Manson? There were as many monsters in your time. They just hanged easier

 

[petros]

There's more than just physical "pain".

Love hurts in all forms and from all sources.

 

[damngrumpy]

My mother worked outside the home, we were as nuts as most kids in those days but not as
destructive. Today you have kids that have no respect not because parents were mean or
even strict, and being strict does not ensure obedient children.
For our day we had all the modern conveniences that were available at the time as kids do
today.
I believe the big difference comes in that we were more rural or small town as a society.
There were chores to do, wood had to be brought in, kindling had to be cut, in some cases the
animals had to be fed and so on. Those chores no longer exist, and there is no real chores for
kids to do. Oh they might shovel the snow or mow the lawn but chores as we knew it are dead.
Having those chores as a responsibility provided a sense of family and collective respect.
You even as a child were responsible for something, and that developed the habit of belonging
and empathy for others not to mention self respect. We didn't do some things because we
knew who we were to some degree and we had more respect for ourselves Today people want
to play the role of tough guy because they are not really tough. We had chores and work to do
so in that respect we were tough,

 

[JLM]

My mother worked outside the home, we were as nuts as most kids in those days but not as
destructive. Today you have kids that have no respect not because parents were mean or
even strict, and being strict does not ensure obedient children.
For our day we had all the modern conveniences that were available at the time as kids do
today.
I believe the big difference comes in that we were more rural or small town as a society.
There were chores to do, wood had to be brought in, kindling had to be cut, in some cases the
animals had to be fed and so on. Those chores no longer exist, and there is no real chores for
kids to do. Oh they might shovel the snow or mow the lawn but chores as we knew it are dead.
Having those chores as a responsibility provided a sense of family and collective respect.
You even as a child were responsible for something, and that developed the habit of belonging
and empathy for others not to mention self respect. We didn't do some things because we
knew who we were to some degree and we had more respect for ourselves Today people want
to play the role of tough guy because they are not really tough. We had chores and work to do
so in that respect we were tough,

Now yer talkin'. I've found that being "macho" is about the most unmacho thing you can do!-

 

[SLM]

I'm completely at a loss as to how two sociopaths setting some kid on fire becomes about not being 'spanked' as a child? How many individuals incarcerated in the prison system have childhoods with at least borderline abuse? I'd venture to guess many. So if you receive/suffer corporal type punishments as a child, you can become a criminal as an adult. And according to many here if you don't receive/suffer corporal punishments as a child, you can also become a criminal as an adult. It's almost as if it has no specific bearing on how someone can turn out, as if every person is an individual and what works for one might not work for someone else. Weird.

The commentary here really, to me, is nothing more than "If I got my hands on that kid, I'd sure straighten him/her out" when spoken in reference to someone else's "problem" child. Which honestly just strikes me as flippant commentary.

"Time outs"- those are a laugh, recently my sister in law was telling me you a supposed to give the kid a time out in accordance with his/her age, I thought that was pretty good and told her six hours sounds about right for a six year old. She says, "no, six minutes, stupid"...................F**K!

In the context that she's talking about it, 'time out' is about de-escalation, not punishment. It's about calming down a child who is getting overly worked up and, believe it or not, it actually does work and can actually help a child to learn how to control their emotional impulses.

When I was about five I threatened the little neighbour bitch with my hatchet (she was younger than me, bigger than me and could beat the sh*t out of me) Anyway that little deed got me a few hours in my bedroom. I didn't do that again. (But she carried on being a bitch)-

So you were given a time out and it worked?!?

"I didn't do that again."

Weird.

 

[JLM]

So you were given a time out and it worked?!?

"I didn't do that again."

Weird.

"Time out" is one way of putting it I guess, my mother was in high dudgeon that day I can tell you, not pleasant to be around, but I guess I can understand her feelings thinking she had a budding axe murderer on her hands. But of course if anyone knew the little B next door they would understand.

 

[SLM]

"Time out" is one way of putting it I guess,

That's exactly my point, "time out" is not a new concept. We just used different phrases to describe it before. It stood a chance of working then, just as it stands a chance of working now. Your generation might be more familiar with it described as "Go to your room and think about what you've done" perhaps. I know that's how I'd be familiar with it.

my mother was in high dudgeon that day I can tell you, not pleasant to be around, but I guess I can understand her feelings thinking she had a budding axe murderer on her hands. But of course if anyone knew the little B next door they would understand.

But let me ask you this, and answer honestly. If you heard of child wielding an axe against another child today, what would you think? Would you blame the parents for not being strict enough?

I'm not trying to antagonize or anything like that, but if you take yourself out of your own experience (granted something not always easy to do) and try to look at the situation from an outside perspective, what does it (or can it) look like?