Does God exist?

[MHz]

No, I don't believe that, because you said it happened 20 years ago, though I do believe it's what you now remember happening. Memory is not a write once-read many proposition, it's notoriously unreliable and subject to emendation, embellishment, improvement, and reinterpretation. When it's an event as complex and significant to you as that one, and because it so strongly plays to other things you believe, the probability that your present memory of it is completely accurate is pretty much zero.

That's right, it happened at the very end of 1988. The first time I wrote it down was about 5 years ago, as part of a post on another board. So my recall was based on something that was more like 15 years.
Here is where you start to be in error, please don't equate my memory to how yours works, or anybodies. Nor should you ignore the significance of an event to how well it can be recalled. Talk to anybody and they can probably recall some event in every minute detail, then ask them about a week (or a day) before that and they might draw a total blank.
So if I say there were fine lines around the eyes of the two standing separate from the group there were fine lines. If I say that the shape of the dogs was most like full grown blood-hounds and they ran in a circle that was counter-clockwise that is what they did.
The more significant the event the more clarity in the recall.

The vision itself isn't complex even though it has a fair amount of detail, it does become complex when it adheres to certain verses, something I was ignorant of for quite a few years.

I knew a little about the Bible when this happened, I feared God because He could kill me by asking the earth to swallow me, no defense against that, a threat by any man would allow some sort of defense, even if unsuccessful.

If I had told you this a few days after it happened you would still find some reason to ignore or reject it.

Nor has my belief had influence on my recall because that was written when I first started hanging around Christian chat rooms.

Another poster by the handle of trumpet777 was kind enough to send me an email showing me some of the scriptures that fit in.

1, the first contact will cause fear
2, don't feel bad about acting like a small child when you first know who is with you (rather than asking some adult-like important questions) by playing in His hand as all who enter the Kingdom of Heaven do so a little child.

There were quite a few more things he pointed out but my point is those things were unknown to me in 1988.

L Gilbert, why are you even on a thread that has God anywhere in any of the posts? ROFLMAO

 

[MHz]

Mhz:

as much as I agree with you, and feel myself to be a complete believer, Bible thumping to those who do not read the text never works.

God does exist! God is here, God is alive, he has never stoped, creation was not something he did than stopped...He works on it everyday.
I have been guided by him everyday..and frankly this was not always the case.
Way too many things have happened to me to be just odds..

but again quoting biblical passages will get nowhere..never heard of anyone saying they saw the light and were saved after being insulted right

It's just my way of finding out if they are thinking for themselves or just acting as a parrot for somebody else's ideas. Dexter is a parrot for the most part, although he has incorporated some thoughts from several different 'viewpoints'.

So no, I don't expect to open anybodies eyes but neither will I hold my tongue where I hear something that 'might be' an error in thinking, especially if there is some Scripture that flat out says something different.

The creating part was over at the end of the 6th day, anything after that has been with things created before the end of that day.
Even the flood saw a rebuilding of men from just a small remnant rather a bunch of newly created men.

Have faith in God

db , you have probably made out a list or two to Santa in your time, this is how you deliver your list to Christ.
De:4:29:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

 

[Northboy]

YES!! Jesus's teachings were a new contract!! It's why there are Jews AND Christians... If it were all part of the same, there would no longer be a Jewish faith.

As well, God said we were not to kill...he never said anything about what he could do.

As for a previous statement I read above...my life was not so good nore was i living that way when all the realities of Gods existance hit me like tons of bricks over and over and over.

It happened that way with me, my own private revelation.

 

[Unforgiven]

So what's the deal with these Gods anyway? There used to be alsorts of stuff that Gods would do like burning the Bushs and floods, sacrifices were demanded and the wrath of God was always raining down on someone somewhere. So what happened? God got no daughters? No new prophets?

Or are we just too stupid to figure it out?

You don't expect there's been another war in Heaven do you? I wonder what that's like for the people who go to Heaven. I bet those angels can be tough ****ers to take down. Plus they think they're so damn righteous!

So if there are Gods, what's happened to them and what did they have against dinosaurs?

 

[Spocq]

One of the first words attributed to God in the Bible was "good".

Dwelling on the past, when we didn't live it gets us nowhere. we have no understanding.

As I posted before, Christ was the update, the new covenant, the new paradigm in our relationship with God. When did Christ say he was going to kill someone? His message was peace.

I believe the bible describes the man made God of good. One of the scriptures states God is good. I have gone to great lengths to be good and understand what good is all about. With all my understanding I am very sure good does not kill, if it does then it is no longer truly good.

The more we understand our past the better we understand our present and create a better future.

What Christ did or what his message is about doesn't erase what the bible states God did. Its said God is all wise, all seeing and all knowing. What reason could he have possible had to cause man to kill for 1000's of years in his name, following Gods own actions. This is not the act of goodness, this is the act of man not a God that is truly good.

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The truth will set us free!

 

[Spocq]

YES!! Jesus's teachings were a new contract!! It's why there are Jews AND Christians... If it were all part of the same, there would no longer be a Jewish faith.

As well, God said we were not to kill...he never said anything about what he could do.

As for a previous statement I read above...my life was not so good nore was i living that way when all the realities of Gods existance hit me like tons of bricks over and over and over.

I believe it states in the bible something like Gods chosen people would become the most prosperous. Who are the most prosperous of Gods people? Which faith? Which religion? .... If anyone knows this exact versus, Please post it here. Thanks

Actions speak louder then words.

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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!

 

[Northboy]

I believe it states in the bible something like Gods chosen people would become the most prosperous. Who are the most prosperous of Gods people? Which faith? Which religion? .... If anyone knows this exact versus, Please post it here. Thanks

Actions speak louder then words.

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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!

To my mind, its not religion, its intent that matters.

Those that seek the middle way in things, respectful of God's blessings (resources come to mind as a blessing) and are not wasteful in their use. Those that seek to empower others and ask the question"What of the poor, the widows, orphans and the innocent?", thinking of others before they think of their own comforts.

"Prosperity" has different meanings to different people.

Those who practise:

Honour through merit

Prosperity through labour

and seek wisdom while they're doing it.

That's my understanding of God's People....

 

[Spocq]

I think its more then just intent that is important. I've heard the saying,"The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Its the actions that are the most important, actions speak much louder then intention or words.

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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!

 

[Northboy]

I think its more then just intent that is important. I've heard the saying,"The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Its the actions that are the most important, actions speak much louder then intention or words.

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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!

We are told that intent should be discerned through our hearts before being put into action. Lots of intent is turned into action by individuals before they put them into action. Yes, if people don't follow the program, then the way to hell can be paved with good intentions.

Properly discerned intent does lead to action, its the process of discernment that cuts the wheat from the chaff.

That's only my view.

 

[Spocq]

We are told that intent should be discerned through our hearts before being put into action. Lots of intent is turned into action by individuals before they put them into action. Yes, if people don't follow the program, then the way to hell can be paved with good intentions.

Properly discerned intent does lead to action, its the process of discernment that cuts the wheat from the chaff.

That's only my view.

But what happens when our intention is good but our actions are not?

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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!

 

[Northboy]

But what happens when our intention is good but our actions are not?

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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!

Then we get into trouble.

 

[Spocq]

Then we get into trouble.

Exactly! and is that not what God did when his intention was Thou shalt not kill. But his actions did not follow his intentions. Could this be why our world is in such trouble?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I'm absolutely 100% certain that God exists. . his name allah
and QUR'AN his word and his true way
and THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES in the QUR'AN

Moderator's Edit: Link removed.

 

[Risus]

I'm absolutely 100% certain that God exists. . his name allah
and QUR'AN his word and his true way
and THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES in the QUR'AN


Moderator's Edit: Link removed

You are full of it. His name is NOT allah.

 

[Northboy]

Exactly! and is that not what God did when his intention was Thou shalt not kill. But his actions did not follow his intentions. Could this be why our world is in such trouble?

So, you're saying that in violating the Law and creating an imbalance, that God threw us into this circumstance we live in today? Its an interesting thought.

If so, was it intentional?

and why?

I don't mind following this line of discussion to see where it leads.

 

[Spocq]

So, you're saying that in violating the Law and creating an imbalance, that God threw us into this circumstance we live in today? Its an interesting thought.

If so, was it intentional?

and why?

I don't mind following this line of discussion to see where it leads.

If it was intentional it was pretty cruel, it has cause 1000's of years of suffering, anger, hate, violence and pain. This is not the work of good, more like the work of evil.

I cant imagine any reason why. I believe the bible states God is compassionate, if he is compassionate then he would feel bad for those who suffer. How would he feel for causing this amount of pain and suffering. Seems to me it would be overwhelming.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'm absolutely 100% certain that God exists. .

Yes, I'm sure you are, but that doesn't mean he does. Lots of people have believed just as firmly in other gods throughout human history, and I don't think anyone would seriously argue now that gods like Thor and Apollo and Zeus and Baal and Marduk and the thousands of others human cultures have invented have any reality outside the realm of ideas. You're atheist about all of them too, same as I am. What reason is there to think your notion of god is any different? Because you have a book that makes that claim? You cannot demonstrate that what a book claims to be true is in fact true only by reference to the book itself, without simply assuming the truth of what you're trying to demonstrate. That's a logical fallacy called begging the question. You can be as certain as humanly possible that you're right, but that doesn't make the case. I can know all the same things you do and come to a completely different conclusion, that god almost certainly does not exist. I won't go so far as to make the categorical statement that he doesn't, because I can't prove that claim, but the evidence does not sustain the claim that he does.

 

[talloola]

We can all say that we are 100% sure that many things are true, but if we cannot produce
100% proof of our statement, it is 'just' our own opinion, or belief, and that includes
the belief in god.

 

[Scott Free]

Does god exist?

No.

Monotheists seem to think their god is omniscient yet they also claim they have free will but these two features are inconsistent and form a paradox, i.e, only one or the other is possible. You can't have perfect knowledge of the past and future (omniscience) and have free will (unpredictability), only one or the other is possible.

We know that we exist and to a certain extent have free will.

Therefore the Christian god, the Muslim god, and any other god claiming omniscience can not exist.

If, on the other hand, we say god does exist because we don't have free will (determinism) then again we hit the paradox: god can't be omniscient and still be free to act as he likes. Any actions he took he would have already known about (and consequences thereof) and therefore they would not be an act of free will. God would be more like a mountain or the sun (an object) than anything described in the bible or the koran.

If god is not omniscient then he (she/it) isn't really a god (due to limitations) and therefore not worthy of worship.

If god has no free will then he (she/it) isn't really a god (due to being an object i.e, a thing) and therefore not worthy of worship.

There simply is no god.

 

[Spocq]

I'm absolutely 100% certain that God exists. . his name allah
and QUR'AN his word and his true way
and THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES in the QUR'AN

The Qur'an has the story of Moses in it too. So what I have been saying holds true for Allah too. Most if not all the major religions all have the story of Moses where God killed and broke his own commandment.