Lots of killing there.
But what of the other conditions on the ground at the time?
May I start posting authorative work now, now that you've opened the door?
Does God exist?
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Lots of killing there.
But what of the other conditions on the ground at the time?
May I start posting authorative work now, now that you've opened the door?
I can clearly see what it has taught many generations. There are many wars fought in the name of God. Its true stuff happens and its also true there are consequences of our actions. negative actions usually have negative consequences.
Regarding the Noah story I really don't see how people standing around mocking Noah or not heeding his warning had anything to do with Gods decision to kill by flooding the earth. His decision to flood the earth was made before those things happened.
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Where I started with this thread is that the Law of Cause and Effect exists and is enforced. That was where I started as proof that God exists.
I didn't say we would all agree on the judgements given, or even like God, the thread was about whether God exists or not.
Now, Christ is the update, that is clear, all of these things predate Christ.Time moves on.
I agree with the Law of Cause and Effect. I think my statement that there are consequences for our actions would show my agreement. Although I don't see how this is any proof of God's existence.
If the bible is the authority of God and we can find major flaws (contradictions) with in its words then I would think it proves God doesn't exist.
I don't think Christ's teachings change any of the facts of what God did. But then I have not read past the days of Moses as of yet. There is enough to understand and question about what happened up till that point.
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So saying the Lord's prayer will trigger (or cause)a chemical imbalance? LOL
Maybe it was a greeting room, nobody was agitated, just patiently waiting and who is to say things stayed that way the moment we left that scene. They were waiting for Him, not for me. Heaven isn't open for men right now, there is only one man who is free to roam around there.
You may have doubts about what it was, I don't. It did bring a desire to read something about Him.
I didn't say that the lords prayer triggered a chemical imbalance. But since you bring it up that is a possibility too it could of triggered receptors in the brain that induced this vision. Although to be honest I was just thinking that the chemically imbalance just happened at that time having nothing to do with the lords prayer. Might even be a combination of both.
I was just making an observation of what you seen, plus I didn't realize it was "him" that brought you on this tour. Nonetheless there could be many other possible explanations for this vision.
I'm not sure if you have read my other posts on this topic. One of the possible theories I have is that there is a realm where we go after we die, and there is a group or force of good people that look out for others that are good at heart (truly good at heart) and if this is true then Jesus would definitely be there since I whole heartedly believe a man named Jesus existed and was a son of good. who did his best to teach good to people of that time. So it is possible with this theory that your vision really happened. but I still think even if it happened and it was Jesus that brought you on this tour and this place you seen does exist it doesn't prove God exists.
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A vote for green is a vote for good.
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Like I said in my opening post, it wasn't posted to convince you about the existence of God so you can come with as many 'other possible explanations' as you wish.
It was enough to get me to start reading the Bible in earnest, including what you call inconsistencies, which when viewed by other verses might not be as inconsistent as would they first appear. That doesn't make the OT less unpleasant that it was at certain times. The flood was more for the 'giants' of those days than it was for 'normal men'.
The Bible also says that by reading some will and some will not believe what is written. The ones who do not believe (via reading) will still come to be believers when power and glory manifest before their very eyes.
You have to remember that Jesus always said He was a servant of God, not that He was ever a 'substitute' for God.
It was enough to get me to start reading the Bible in earnest, including what you call inconsistencies, which when viewed by other verses might not be as inconsistent as would they first appear. That doesn't make the OT less unpleasant that it was at certain times. The flood was more for the 'giants' of those days than it was for 'normal men'.
The Bible also says that by reading some will and some will not believe what is written. The ones who do not believe (via reading) will still come to be believers when power and glory manifest before their very eyes.
You have to remember that Jesus always said He was a servant of God, not that He was ever a 'substitute' for God.
You don't need my permission to post anything, do what you want, just be prepared to be challenged. I wasn't offering the Bible as an authority, I think it's mythology, that's merely what it reports, with apparent approval, about god's record as a mass murderer. The Judeo-Christian god, particularly as he appears in the Old Testament, is one of the nastiest characters ever created. Jealous, spiteful, manipulative, bad-tempered, arbitrary, punitive, misogynistic, a mass murderer, a child killer... He's supposedly omniscient yet he's constantly surprised and disappointed by how people behave. His presumed characteristics and his reported behaviour lack a certain internal logic. If he exists, which I don't believe for a second, I have no respect or admiration for him at all. He's an incompetent, blundering moron if this world is the best he can do.
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And don't forget that according to the Bible, this god, his son, and the spook are one in the same. This is one of the reasons I am as close to being positive as one can get without actual proof that it was a bunch of relatively unintelligent, neurotic people that invented this god; because it is relatively unintelligent and neurotic. At least people who invented Zeus, Ra, etc. had an excuse - they simply didn't know any better and blamed any phenomenon they didn't understand on some deity or other. People nowadays should bloody well know better, but refuse to be rational about this issue. It's cause for a great deal of chuckles from me.
And don't forget that according to the Bible, this god, his son, and the spook are one in the same. This is one of the reasons I am as close to being positive as one can get without actual proof that it was a bunch of relatively unintelligent, neurotic people that invented this god; because it is relatively unintelligent and neurotic. At least people who invented Zeus, Ra, etc. had an excuse - they simply didn't know any better and blamed any phenomenon they didn't understand on some deity or other. People nowadays should bloody well know better, but refuse to be rational about this issue. It's cause for a great deal of chuckles from me.
Well Dex as long as you believe what I said happened is the actual way it happened I don't care what label you apply to it.
Your post just before this one would lead me to believe pray would be pretty much useless to you at any time but at the same time there are words to the effect that you will still be counted, or at least be given the opportunity, to reverse that position. That sort of puts your view about God into conflict with the words you have used so far to describe Him.
Now I would certainly say that if we put somebody in the grave we are guilty of a sin that we cannot undo. Is that the case with God, He can bring somebody back from the grave. Now if that person was sent to the fiery Lake then they could not be brought back from there, ever.
Your lack of understanding about what (and why) took place back in the OT was only to show (that would include those who only read about those events) that what God determines will be done actually gets done, and on schedule if one is provided.
Your sorrow for those who were killed is justified because you have a verse handy that says none of those lives will ever be restored. This verse below would seem to say that everybody who dies, good or bad, has their breath of life return to God, the very same place it came from in the first place.
Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
That is what happens when you start to believe men over believing what the Bible actually says. You blindly assume such a theory is true but you can't find it anyplace in the Book. If it is in the Bible then what verse actually says that? There are hundreds of verses that point to God and Christ being separate.
If a verse like this doesn't clear that issue up what hope is there that you will understand the more difficult parts?
Joh:20:17:
Jesus saith unto her,
Touch me not;
for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren,
and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father;
and to my God,
and your God.
Now L I'm not how old you are but Dex has some gray in his whiskers so he should have some knowledge but in this area these verses would seem to cover his actual knowledge and not his own conceived notion about how much he actually knows about what is written about God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. (let alone why some events took place at all)
1Co:3:2:
I have fed you with milk,
and not with meat:
for hitherto ye were not able to bear it,
neither yet now are ye able.
Heb:5:12:
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,
ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
and are become such as have need of milk,
and not of strong meat.
Heb:5:13:
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness:
for he is a babe.
1Pe:2:2:
As newborn babes,
desire the sincere milk of the word,
that ye may grow thereby:
Mhz:
as much as I agree with you, and feel myself to be a complete believer, Bible thumping to those who do not read the text never works.
God does exist! God is here, God is alive, he has never stoped, creation was not something he did than stopped...He works on it everyday.
I have been guided by him everyday..and frankly this was not always the case.
Way too many things have happened to me to be just odds..
but again quoting biblical passages will get nowhere..never heard of anyone saying they saw the light and were saved after being insulted right
as much as I agree with you, and feel myself to be a complete believer, Bible thumping to those who do not read the text never works.
God does exist! God is here, God is alive, he has never stoped, creation was not something he did than stopped...He works on it everyday.
I have been guided by him everyday..and frankly this was not always the case.
Way too many things have happened to me to be just odds..
but again quoting biblical passages will get nowhere..never heard of anyone saying they saw the light and were saved after being insulted right
God said not to kill, he turned around and killed. I've recently been made aware that a lot of people who are conservative are religious, Conservatives support war (killing). Is this not a contradiction to his word?
ottawabill, IMHO what you believe to be the presence of God is really the consequences of being good.
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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!
ottawabill, IMHO what you believe to be the presence of God is really the consequences of being good.
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A vote for green is a vote for good.
The truth will set us free!
One of the first words attributed to God in the Bible was "good".
Dwelling on the past, when we didn't live it gets us nowhere. we have no understanding.
As I posted before, Christ was the update, the new covenant, the new paradigm in our relationship with God. When did Christ say he was going to kill someone? His message was peace.
YES!! Jesus's teachings were a new contract!! It's why there are Jews AND Christians... If it were all part of the same, there would no longer be a Jewish faith.
As well, God said we were not to kill...he never said anything about what he could do.
As for a previous statement I read above...my life was not so good nore was i living that way when all the realities of Gods existance hit me like tons of bricks over and over and over.
No, I don't believe that, because you said it happened 20 years ago, though I do believe it's what you now remember happening. Memory is not a write once-read many proposition, it's notoriously unreliable and subject to emendation, embellishment, improvement, and reinterpretation. When it's an event as complex and significant to you as that one, and because it so strongly plays to other things you believe, the probability that your present memory of it is completely accurate is pretty much zero.
It isn't a theory. A theory has evidence. There is NO evidence supporting the existence of gods, Jesus, Goldilocks, elves, etc. So whether your 3 "identities" are one in the same or separate is really irrelevant.
I am thrilled
*yawn*
I'm not really interested in what it says nor am I interested in understanding it. To me it is irrelevant.
I think Dex does know more of the Bible than me, but he seems to be a bit more interested in it than I am. At least he is bright enough not to have faith that imaginary beings are real. lmao