Does God exist?

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I chose this as my proof of God. The 20 years after this event have added to that concept, a lot of that was gleemed from a book that is somewhat confusing at moments but every chapter in every book has something that can be understood on the very 1st read.

I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe)) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these
'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a liesurley rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behind my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I imediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow, enough width for one small car, and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serine but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had came. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly reclosed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I woke up at point.

That is proof for me, it is not offered as proof for you, any of you.
 

Northboy

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That's all very interesting I'm sure, but I don't see how it bears on the question of god's existence or non-existence, though you started out comprehensibly enough with "Now there's a good notion, but if you framed it in the form of a question, it may lead to a better result. "

Okay, I can do that. In fact I'll give you two questions. Can you explain how the observation that cause and effect appear to be in operation leads to the conclusion that god exists? And if you can, will you offer it here for our edification?

I don't think that I could give you an answer that would satisfy you and after all, it does all come down to Faith.
I just provided something to watch for so you could make up your own mind.
 

Spocq

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And then you woke up. Is it possible it was a dream?

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Spocq

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I don't think that I could give you an answer that would satisfy you and after all, it does all come down to Faith.
I just provided something to watch for so you could make up your own mind.

I find it very difficult to say the least to have faith in a god that kills and breaks his own commandment. Do as I say and not as I do just doesnt cut it with me. And if God is all seeing and knowing he would know that it just don't work.

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Northboy

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"As I understand this at this moment, this would be a scenario where a combined economic matrix led by England, the US and Canada would set about creating a self sustaining economic structure by healing themselves and then the commonwealth."

No such closed self sustaining economic structure will be permitted by the creditor nations, nor is it remotely realizable, nor is it at all invisioned except by fanatics in certain fundamentalists christian schools of thought this also is a fantasy. No I'm sorry to inform you that the days of christian glory are rapidly coming to a tacky close as is only fitting and natural. halaluja

"That might just have happened with the Central Banks bailing out the government.
This is yet to be proven by the test of time."

Are you possibly refering to the bailout of banks by the government this week? I think you should read a bit of this past weeks news Northboy. I believe you have it just exactly backwards along with the rest of your implausable revelation.

First off, this has nothing to do with any Christian fundie group, it is my observation alone, not coached. If others are aware, then others are aware.

So, if its implausible, it can only happen through God?

I didn't say this had happened, I said it was happening. Timeframe undetermined.

Its exactly backwards to the way you see things? Then one of has a problem.
 

darkbeaver

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First off, this has nothing to do with any Christian fundie group, it is my observation alone, not coached. If others are aware, then others are aware.

So, if its implausible, it can only happen through God?

I didn't say this had happened, I said it was happening. Timeframe undetermined.

Its exactly backwards to the way you see things? Then one of has a problem.

Why can't we both have problems Northboy? Are you an exclusiveist an exceptionalist.How is it you have independently, spontaneously it could be argued, happened upon a perspective peculiar to dominionism.?
 

Spocq

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If you're asking me, its more of an insight. I actually didn't take much stock in it at first,but as time went on...

Maybe an insite that has been influenced from his knowledge of other peoples stories, I'm sure many of these kind of stories reside in our subconciouses.

When there are things that contradict a concept then its time to question it throughly.

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Spocq

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Actually the comment "And then you woke up. Is it possible it was a dream? was intended for the post by MHz.

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Northboy

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Maybe an insite that has been influenced from his knowledge of other peoples stories, I'm sure many of these kind of stories reside in our subconciouses.

When there are things that contradict a concept then its time to question it throughly.

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I would agree, but I see no contradiction.

I was a Banker, with a Banker's world view and this insight relates to Banking.

And from that point of view, it is in fact happening.
 

Spocq

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One of the contradictions I was referring to is that God killed breaking his own commandment.

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Spocq

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Here are a few examples that come to mind.

He killed many living creatures with the flood except those on Noah's Ark.
He killed at least part of the Egyptian army with the parting of the Red Sea.
He swallowed up around 10,000 people while they were in the desert.
He killed two of the high priest's sons for putting the wrong incense in the incense holder.

And I'm sure there are many many other incidents where he killed. I really cant see how he could justify killing two people for putting the wrong incense in the incense holder.

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MHz

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And then you woke up. Is it possible it was a dream?

No, I was fully awake before I intentionally started that prayer and I was certainly more than awake after. I used the word awoke because I lay down when I pray sometimes, as I did that time. Nor do I fall asleep as quickly as I can say the Lord's prayer.

db would like to reduce it to indigestion, the 'not feeling good' was due to conflict on how to handle some things that were troubling me.

Here are a few examples that come to mind.

He killed many living creatures with the flood except those on Noah's Ark.
He killed at least part of the Egyptian army with the parting of the Red Sea.
He swallowed up around 10,000 people while they were in the desert.
He killed two of the high priest's sons for putting the wrong incense in the incense holder.

And I'm sure there are many many other incidents where he killed. I really cant see how he could justify killing two people for putting the wrong incense in the incense holder.

God also sent His own Son to the grave, and then retrieved Him from there, if He does the same for the others He has sent there is that sin forgiven or has He made amends to the people He killed?
 
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Northboy

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Here are a few examples that come to mind.

He killed many living creatures with the flood except those on Noah's Ark.
He killed at least part of the Egyptian army with the parting of the Red Sea.
He swallowed up around 10,000 people while they were in the desert.
He killed two of the high priest's sons for putting the wrong incense in the incense holder.

And I'm sure there are many many other incidents where he killed. I really cant see how he could justify killing two people for putting the wrong incense in the incense holder.

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I can't speak for God, and I've already been warned about bringing "authorative text" onto this thread, so all I can say is that stuff happens. Its not for me to know the reasons, and I'm sure there are many, including the teaching of future generations.

But I will make one comment regarding the Noah story.

Didn't all the people stand around and mock Noah when he was building the Ark? Didn't he try to warn them? Sounds like people didn't heed a warning....
 

Dexter Sinister

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I don't think that I could give you an answer that would satisfy you and after all, it does all come down to Faith.
In the sense that you're unlikely to be able to convince me god has any reality outside the realm of ideas, I'm sure you're right, but in keeping with my lifelong policy of inquiring into how and what other people think, I was interested in how you convinced yourself.
 

Northboy

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In the sense that you're unlikely to be able to convince me god has any reality outside the realm of ideas, I'm sure you're right, but in keeping with my lifelong policy of inquiring into how and what other people think, I was interested in how you convinced yourself.

Well, even if you perceive God to only exist in the realm of ideas, that's fine, but you have to admit that the notion of God is strong among some.

How I convinced myself? Its the testimony of my life.

As I posted above, this relates to a calling.

In recent years, I have been positioned to have some input into how the fatted calf is going to be carved up (if it in fact is).The fatted calf refers to wealth.

I have been in contact and connection with some very interesting people, great Canadians who sense the same thing, articulated in different ways. (we all have our own journey)

I didn't seek these people out, they came into my life...

Now, I'm inspired to share this here, something that I haven't shared much...

This is by no means the only thing that I have experienced.
 

Spocq

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No, I was fully awake before I intentionally started that prayer and I was certainly more than awake after. I used the word awoke because I lay down when I pray sometimes, as I did that time. Nor do I fall asleep as quickly as I can say the Lord's prayer.

db would like to reduce it to indigestion, the 'not feeling good' was due to conflict on how to handle some things that were troubling me.

Well you might be right, but I have heard that sometimes people fall asleep right out of the blue. Here is another thing I seen on TV the other day. Maybe this has nothing to do with this since it is about a dog and not a human, but this dog was running around chasing a ball and as he was running after it he just flopped to the ground, he instantly fell asleep while he was in motion. He was laying on his side not moving a muscle and appeared to me as he was sleeping for awhile then all of a sudden he is back up and goes after the ball again.

There are many things we don't understand maybe a chemically imbalance could cause something like this.

One thing that kind of makes me wonder about this vision/dream you had is, whats up with all the people standing next to each other and there not being much wiggle room, doesn't sound like a comfortable condition to me, sounds rather cramped in fact. Not what I would think heaven would look like at all. Could it be something other then what you think it was?

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