Does God exist?
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Let me ask you first, do you believe that the Law of Cause and Effect does in fact exist?
Yes it does
Mother Earth is Gia ...God (or whatever U call iTt)...Is a populator...Reproduce by Panspermia!...Believe or not....I have faith ...I believe in something greater than ourselves!...The body ..the mind....We have definetly tapped into some Great energy source....Yes I beleive!:angel8::sign10:8O
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Mother Earth is Gia ...God (or whatever U call iTt)...Is a populator...Reproduce by Panspermia!...Believe or not....I have faith ...I believe in something greater than ourselves!...The body ..the mind....We have definetly tapped into some Great energy source....Yes I beleive!:angel8::sign10:8O
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I say very definitely: to find if there is God or no God, you must abolish, wipe away from your mind, all concept of God. To find if there is God or if there is no God, you must wipe away all the information that you have received about God. The people who have given you information might be mistaken; you will have to find out for yourself. And to find out for yourself, you must get rid of all authority, understand the whole structure, the anatomy of authority - whether it is the authority of the policeman, the authority of the Government, the authority of the priest or the authority of your own desires; they all play a part.
Without understanding all this, merely to seek what you call God has no meaning at all. God is something amazing, not to be imagined by some kind of belief. You have to find out. I do not say if there is or there is not. To find out you must be free first. There is London; it is a fact, a physical fact. It is the same thing with a physical fact which can be examined by a microscope. You believe in God because you have been brought up in that belief. The Communist does not believe in God; he says there are only physical phenomena which are explicable......
Without understanding all this, merely to seek what you call God has no meaning at all. God is something amazing, not to be imagined by some kind of belief. You have to find out. I do not say if there is or there is not. To find out you must be free first. There is London; it is a fact, a physical fact. It is the same thing with a physical fact which can be examined by a microscope. You believe in God because you have been brought up in that belief. The Communist does not believe in God; he says there are only physical phenomena which are explicable......
I don't see the point of that question, but I think I know where you're going to go with it. In an absolute sense, no, there do seem to be effects that happen in the quantum world with no apparent cause so there's an unavoidable randomness at the heart of things, but on larger scales causality does seem to be a feature of reality.
Could the randomness be an expression of "Free Will"?
Yet, in the bigger picture, there is a semblance of order, a semblance of "justice" that comes from the observance of circumstance, when you know the situation that created "cause"?
Should this be true, you have acknowledged the existence of "Law".
Does "Law" exist? For if it does, there's your proof.
That's what scripture says anyway.....Manifested through "Law".
I doubt it. There's a lot of stuff and nonsense around about quantum weirdness, and no justification at all in the physics to think it has anything to do with such philosophical questions.
Since you put "Law" in quotes it's not clear exactly what you mean, but I don't see how the mere existence of rules in any sense proves god exists.
Argument from authority. Not admissible.
Fair enough about the argument from authority, I was just trying to give you a reference.
Do "Laws" exist? If they do exist to keep the balance, where did the notions of balance and justice come from? How is it enforced? Who enforces it?
I can see you heading for all the standard logical fallacies with that line of questioning. How about you just state your case instead instead of asking leading questions.
I did. The question was "Does God Exist?"
I said "Yep". and provided the proof as I see it.
Now, if you want to get deeper into the subject,we may have to refer to some references, to show how this is manifesting itself on the world stage, and that is not what the question was.
Does one need to?
What if I shared an observation of circumstance with you and you make up your own mind?
Whatever you think or believe, is fine, that is your business and I respect that, but, you
said that the existence of god was proven, and it isn't, it is a belief.
Explain the reasoning that justifies concluding god exists from the observation that a law of cause and effect is in operation.
Now there's a good notion, but if you framed it in the form of a question, it may lead to a better result. Questions are the door to understanding.
Let me start this way, many years ago when I was in mt twenties and an up and comer in the Banking trade, I had a notion (I'll call it a notion to keep in the spirit of this thread) that the United States of America was working its way through the Prodigal Son parable.This was not to give me some inspiration to call the world, no, this was to prepare me. That's the way the notion went.We can observe this happening;
Eldest son (The US) wants his inheritance and his independence from his father.(England)
Check
Eldest Son squanders his inheritance.
Check
Eldest son has to work for others.
Working on it.
Eldest son says that if he must be a servant, he might as well live under the Father's roof.
That might just have happened with the Central Banks bailing out the government.
This is yet to be proven by the test of time.
Now comes the nasty part.
Younger brother (Canada) upset because Father is willing to sacrifice the fatted calf.
This is where my calling comes in, helping to define how much of the fatted calf they get to sacrifice in this, a noble cause of the Father.
The Family reunites and goes on to great glory.
As I understand this at this moment, this would be a scenario where a combined economic matrix led by England, the US and Canada would set about creating a self sustaining economic structure by healing themselves and then the commonwealth.
Before you laugh yourself off your chair,
Consider the geopolitical, economic and cultural advantages to such a notion.
There are as many causes playing their individual ways out in the world as there are people. More, actually as people reach consensus.
Here's the rub,
Now that I've shared this "gnosis", you are aware of it and that means that you might watch along, share the journey. Or not, that's up to you.
That's all very interesting I'm sure, but I don't see how it bears on the question of god's existence or non-existence, though you started out comprehensibly enough with "Now there's a good notion, but if you framed it in the form of a question, it may lead to a better result. "
Okay, I can do that. In fact I'll give you two questions. Can you explain how the observation that cause and effect appear to be in operation leads to the conclusion that god exists? And if you can, will you offer it here for our edification?
Okay, I can do that. In fact I'll give you two questions. Can you explain how the observation that cause and effect appear to be in operation leads to the conclusion that god exists? And if you can, will you offer it here for our edification?
"As I understand this at this moment, this would be a scenario where a combined economic matrix led by England, the US and Canada would set about creating a self sustaining economic structure by healing themselves and then the commonwealth."
No such closed self sustaining economic structure will be permitted by the creditor nations, nor is it remotely realizable, nor is it at all invisioned except by fanatics in certain fundamentalists christian schools of thought this also is a fantasy. No I'm sorry to inform you that the days of christian glory are rapidly coming to a tacky close as is only fitting and natural. halaluja
"That might just have happened with the Central Banks bailing out the government.
This is yet to be proven by the test of time."
Are you possibly refering to the bailout of banks by the government this week? I think you should read a bit of this past weeks news Northboy. I believe you have it just exactly backwards along with the rest of your implausable revelation.
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