Does God exist?

[MHz]

I don't think they knew god any better than anyone else. That is a very old story that could have originated anywhere. As we have seen with the flood story in the bible the religious are quite adept at adopting and changing pagan myths into their own. So who knows? It's a cute story that obviously has no bearing on reality whatsoever.

Job sat and talked with God. well God did most of the talking. Neb was a servant of God by the time he died. You don't see that as knowing God any better than anybody alive today?

Like a volcano?

Like building up pressure? When you write something down (really it was more than that because it is sometimes addressed to people other than the writer, the ones who would encounter the beginning of the reality) it is a deliberate action when it is made manifest. If the lava takes only select people then it is under control is it not?

That's a pretty good indicator that he isn't real. One person would make up a story and then spread that story around.

Not when you consider Christ telling parables about a master who goes away and leaves somebody in charge and then the master comes back to reward/punish His servants (Christ cleans His own house/people before dealing with others). Even His absence was predicted.

Maybe he didn't make it up at all; perhaps he was insane? We know insanity was considered a sign of someone being holy.

An even more sure sign is referencing yourself as 'we'(you are singular) yet you reference to yourself in the plural. You see that as perfectly normal behavior?

In point of fact if you were insane (visions, voices in your head, seeing things like angels) you were more likely to be listened to. Of coarse if that person were too debilitated to spread their story others were more than happy to.

You have no idea of the mental state of anybody mentioned in Scripture or the state of mind of the writers.

People don't return from the dead except after a few minutes, not years, not decades, not centuries and not eons.

It's more a matter of the breath of life that was in each living soul returns with Christ, that is how the resurrection begins, There is even a passage that describes how dead bones become alive again.

He is dead and he is not coming back. That is a seriously childish myth.

The myth includes everybody doing that, Jesus was the first to do it.

That isn't true. There are many new religions movements started everyday. they don't have much longevity (typically under a year) but they start. Look at Scientology, Eckankar, People's Temple, The Roberts Group, Heavens Gate, Bahia, Babi, Aum Shin Rikyo, Falun Gong, Infinity Forms Of Yellow, Mother Of God, Solar Temple, The Unification Church.... etc... on and on it goes....

So when you are on a 'Christian type thread' is that like being in Church or can you use that info you cover in arguments over , well religion?
If their message is different than the one in the NT then you really should 'not get too involved'. Doesn't the Bible classify anyplace where two or more are gathered and the topic of Jesus (in any context) as being where Jesus is? That might even put you in Church when you spend time on this type of thread.
Do any atheists anywhere have a relationship with God like anything written in the fist few chapters of Revelation. Isn't leaving your first love the same as leaving God. An oath to God is the 1st Law. That would cover one type of atheist, one that may have believed at one time but has since gone down a different path. Is there one that would fit the ones that are atheists for other reasons?

There is absolutely nothing to suggest the bible and its story is any different from the stories told by the above lunatics. Just like they have no proof so too the bible has no proof. Without proof it cannot be reasonably upheld as true!

Does that interfer with the way the 'stories should be understood? How far does 'material for your consideration' get a person into what the Bible is telling about a certain time that is not yet. It would be like the 4th book from TLOTR trilogy. All the people in the past are not remembered in song, they are there in person telling their own stories. Such is the Kingdom of Heaven.

People can read the stories and derive meaning certainly, you can do that with any story, but to say it actually happened requires proof the burden of which falls on those making the claim.

Wait till you read the ones about time Yet To Be if you are held by things in the OT.
Okay, prove evolution by giving me an example that I can actually watch the process taking place.

Your question assumes there is a god. Perhaps, like today, there will be more evidence there isn't a god? I'm sure some people will be saying god could come back in another 6000 years. At some point we, as a species, need to face the facts.

That being God, as described in the Bible is not here. The one who says this is the current 'ruler' and his reign is about death and pain and suffering, etc. The place man is rescued from and only this one and his followers are the ones there for the start of eternity.

M't:4:8:
Again,
the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain,
and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world,
and the glory of them;
M't:4:9:
And saith unto him,
All these things will I give thee,
if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Big hint here about who actually calls the 'kingdoms of the world' as being his but you want God to prove Himself? It would be easier to prove Satan exists because you can see his handi-work all around you every day of the week. A lot of the things his followers do even make the nightly news in most countries.

Well yes, of coarse, there is no evidence, that's what "not being around" means. There never was any evidence. God has never "been around" actually and the people who say he is and have visions of him and hear him in their heads are bat $hit crazy. They are today and they were back then.

Yet most people are reluctant to allow the Bible to be quoted, something about it being used to prove itself.
In Ezekiel there are some chapters about a temple, very detailed info even down to dimensions and wall decorations, etc.

Somebody tried adjusting those figures by the same ratio that New Jerusalem is (1500 miles on each side) and used that number on the dimensions in the early Books and it comes out that the size of Israel works out to a few % of the circumference of the earth. I have a link to a site that explored this in some detail.
Would that be proof of God? Giving them info that did not mean anything when the info was first given but when later works were published the 'key number' was given. Would men be able to write something like that over 1,000's of years? According to our history book knowledge about the earth being round is only about 600 years old.

 

[einmensch]

Gee there are so many GODS! And all those faithful pray to their own god to kill the others. Catholics kill Protestants--Gods are good to control populations. If there is a God, what influence has he on Earth?
Israel is based on GOD. The Inquisition, slavery, 6million, Christian conversions--When one dies decomposition starts, just like with every other oraganism. ONly Abraham lived for a 1000 years-----God exists in minds and for some supercedes reason.

 

[scratch]

Gee there are so many GODS! And all those faithful pray to their own god to kill the others. Catholics kill Protestants--Gods are good to control populations. If there is a God, what influence has he on Earth?
Israel is based on GOD. The Inquisition, slavery, 6million, Christian conversions--When one dies decomposition starts, just like with every other oraganism. ONly Abraham lived for a 1000 years-----God exists in minds and for some supercedes reason.

With all due respect.

All we need in today's world are irrational and unreasonable people.

That would be be my `recipe`, no doubt.

regards.
scratch

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Okay, prove evolution by giving me an example that I can actually watch the process taking place.

That's a foolish demand. How long are you prepared to sit and watch? Can you prove god exists by providing an example where we can clearly see him at work, or some event for which the hand of god is the only, or even just the best, explanation? I doubt you know enough to understand the evidence, but speciation has been observed: Some More Observed Speciation Events...

... it comes out that the size of Israel works out to a few % of the circumference of the earth.

So what? Any arbitrary geographic measurement might be a few percent of the circumference of the earth. Playing with numbers won't get you anywhere.

According to our history book knowledge about the earth being round is only about 600 years old.

The Greeks knew over 2000 years ago that earth is round, they even came up with some pretty good estimates of how big it is.

 

[scratch]

That's a foolish demand. How long are you prepared to sit and watch? Can you prove god exists by providing an example where we can clearly see him at work, or some event for which the hand of god is the only, or even just the best, explanation? I doubt you know enough to understand the evidence, but speciation has been observed: Some More Observed Speciation Events...
So what? Any arbitrary geographic measurement might be a few percent of the circumference of the earth. Playing with numbers won't get you anywhere. The Greeks knew over 2000 years ago that earth is round, they even came up with some pretty good estimates of how big it is.

With all genuine respect for you....
I wish you could tell me why the encouragement goes on.

Sincerely,
scratch

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I wish you could tell me why the encouragement goes on.

I don't think I know what you mean. Encouragement of what? I don't see that explaining repeatedly to people where and why they're wrong is encouragement. Besides, I find it entertaining and challenging.

 

[scratch]

I don't think I know what you mean. Encouragement of what? I don't see that explaining repeatedly to people where and why they're wrong is encouragement. Besides, I find it entertaining and challenging.

No insult to you....your choice...free country!

scratch

 

[einmensch]

Now I'm Scratch ing. . Is your reply that God is the recipe?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Gee there are so many GODS! And all those faithful pray to their own god to kill the others. Catholics kill Protestants--Gods are good to control populations. If there is a God, what influence has he on Earth?
Israel is based on GOD. The Inquisition, slavery, 6million, Christian conversions--When one dies decomposition starts, just like with every other oraganism. ONly Abraham lived for a 1000 years-----God exists in minds and for some supercedes reason.

the more from religions was from the god and the god telling the people
'' no god just one god ''

but the people change him religions to what they hope
after they know the truth
then become the religions the corrupt after the along ages
and more the religions from one god
but the quran the god saying he will save him , and to know after 1400 old the quran no change

 

[Scott Free]

the more from religions was from the god and the god telling the people
'' no god just one god ''

And now we have followers of "the one god" being told to kill other followers of "the one god" if they don't ascribe to the name of the messenger!!!!!

In other words, Christians need to call themselves Muslims, or according to you, even Jesus would kill them for using the wrong name even though supposedly they are following the same god!!!

Your theory is completely idiotic!

Obviously there is no single god behind either religion. It is a war of superstitions and ego. Christians nor Muslims worship the same god. They obviously don't worship any god at all. If they do then their gods are idiots and morons on an as yet unimagined order.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

And now we have followers of "the one god" being told to kill other followers of "the one god" if they don't ascribe to the name of the messenger!!!!!

In other words, Christians need to call themselves Muslims, or according to you, even Jesus would kill them for using the wrong name even though supposedly they are following the same god!!!

Your theory is completely idiotic!

Obviously there is no single god behind either religion. It is a war of superstitions and ego. Christians nor Muslims worship the same god. They obviously don't worship any god at all. If they do then their gods are idiots and morons on an as yet unimagined order.

but the people change him religions to what they hope

after they know the truth

the Christians no believe in one god

heir believe in 3 in 1 god that wrong

and the atheist more wrong

he do not believe in god because he smug

 

[Scott Free]

but the people change him religions to what they hope

after they know the truth

the Christians no believe in one god

heir believe in 3 in 1 god that wrong

and the atheist more wrong

he do not believe in god because he smug

So why do you need to kill them?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

So why do you need to kill them?

why I need kill them ?!!:?: what you think my ?? :?:

I do not killing Christians..:angryfire:

but I want killing the people the atheists ( I jocund ) :lol:

I no need killing one :angry3:

but I have message and I have to

tell people about it that all ,,

not believe in god just one god ( not three In one )

and believe In prophet muhammad the last prophet from the god

and prophet Jesus the prophet from god and word from god laying to Mary

 

[Scott Free]

why I need kill them ?!!:?: what you think my ?? :?:

I do not killing Christians..:angryfire:

Don't bother pretending to be a nice guy. That ship has sailed. :lol:

Maybe you don't personally kill Christians but the Qur'an tells you to. Don't deny it now. You already said it did and talked about killing them - you even said Jesus would kill them. You probably don't kill them only because you don't have the opportunity. :lol:

Irregardless your denials don't change my original question. If both Christians and Muslims worship the same god then why does the Qur'an say that if someone calls themselves Christian and not Muslim they must be put to death? Why does Muhammad care so much that people use his name and not that of Jesus? I mean what does it matter if they both worship the same god? And if you kill an Apostasy then your killing someone who worships the same god! Muhamad says to do this. How can that be right? How can that be good? :lol:

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Don't bother pretending to be a nice guy. That ship has sailed. :lol:

I nice guy I believe In god any way .:lol:

Maybe you don't personally kill Christians but the Qur'an tells you to. Don't deny it now. You already said it did and talked about killing them - you even said Jesus would kill them. You probably don't kill them only because you don't have the opportunity. :lol:

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Sahih International: And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what was revealed to you and what was revealed to them, [being] humbly submissive to Allah . They do not exchange the verses of Allah for a small price.​

005.032​

Sahih International: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.​

the islam no told we kill the sinless ,,

the quran he say them People of the Scripture the quran make him better from others polytheist

Irregardless your denials don't change my original question. If both Christians and Muslims worship the same god then why does the Qur'an say that if someone calls themselves Christian and not Muslim they must be put to death?

how you say they Christians must death ??? I do not say that !!

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Sahih International: Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.​

Why does Muhammad care so much that people use his name and not that of Jesus?

that no right any one not believe in Jesus not truth muslim

I mean what does it matter if they both worship the same god?

no the Christians believe in three god no just one god and the god not forgive that

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Sahih International: Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.​

And if you kill an Apostasy then your killing someone who worships the same god! Muhamad says to do this. How can that be right? How can that be good? :lol:

no the Christians believe in three god no just one god and the god not forgive that

believe In last message from god ( the quran )

that god saying it

004.048​

Sahih International: Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

believe In last message from god ( the quran )

that god saying it

Mormons would disagree with you. Baha'is would disagree with you. They have exactly the same kind of evidence for their beliefs that you do for yours, a self-identified prophet claiming divine revelation, and they believe no less firmly than you do. Christians too would disagree with you, believing the New Testament to be the last word. At best only one of them can be right, and that's only four of at least thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of religious systems humans have believed in over the years. How is one to choose among them when the evidence is the same for all of them? Considering what we know now of the common ways people delude themselves into believing things they want to be true but aren't, via errors in logic and perception--here's a nice long list of them--the most reasonable conclusion is that none of them have anything to do with reality, they're all delusions.

 

[MHz]

That's a foolish demand. How long are you prepared to sit and watch? Can you prove god exists by providing an example where we can clearly see him at work, or some event for which the hand of god is the only, or even just the best, explanation? I doubt you know enough to understand the evidence, but speciation has been observed: Some More Observed Speciation Events...

Playing botanist and ending up with plants that are (mostly) sterile is not a real definitive example of evolution. Isn't evolution natural selection (no outside interference), what your examples show is that evolution (specification) needs 'outside help'. Even in the Amazon insects come up with new forms quite regularly, they are still adaptations. They still belong to the creepy crawly class. Same for most mammals that live in herds, most have hoofs, and some have a split hoof and others don't. Evolution would bring in more types of hoofs with surprising regularity. That doesn't happen much. When the Bible says 'after their own kind' can that include many varieties that have the same style foot (split or not split)? Local conditions might determine what their fur looks like or what their favorite food is, that is adaptation, that is not evolution. Going from hoofs to fins would be an example of evolution.

So what? Any arbitrary geographic measurement might be a few percent of the circumference of the earth. Playing with numbers won't get you anywhere.

That example I classify under 'isn't that weird', I doubt God intentionally plays little parlor games, plus taken to the extreme it might give the dimension of the 'New Earth' or are you like some who mentally draw a picture of a city 1500 mile square and that tall standing on this earth as we know it. LOL

The Greeks knew over 2000 years ago that earth is round, they even came up with some pretty good estimates of how big it is.

Still they never proved it by going around it, Chris started that. So what happened to that knowledge that made it appear as being lost?

Mormons would disagree with you. Baha'is would disagree with you. They have exactly the same kind of evidence for their beliefs that you do for yours, a self-identified prophet claiming divine revelation, and they believe no less firmly than you do. Christians too would disagree with you, believing the New Testament to be the last word. At best only one of them can be right, and that's only four of at least thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of religious systems humans have believed in over the years. How is one to choose among them when the evidence is the same for all of them? Considering what we know now of the common ways people delude themselves into believing things they want to be true but aren't, via errors in logic and perception--here's a nice long list of them--the most reasonable conclusion is that none of them have anything to do with reality, they're all delusions.

Why do you think God would recognize any earthly Religion. The qualities that man has with God are already spelled out in the 7 letters to the Angels. Everybody is going to fit one of those 14 profiles, it is that simple.
Think disbelief will exempt you from 'examination', it won't.

Isa:28:15:
Because ye have said,
We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isa:28:18:
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then ye shall be trodden down by it.

I don't think I know what you mean. Encouragement of what? I don't see that explaining repeatedly to people where and why they're wrong is encouragement. Besides, I find it entertaining and challenging.

LOL what a crock, you explaining what the Bible is saying, you really should get a grip in just a few basic facts about the Bible. You have repeatedly said it is a disjointed collection a fables, or something to that effect. Is that supposed to convince anybody that you know anything about the story told in the Bible?

What other areas of life or understanding you claim to hold high-ground on I'm not sure, nor do I care about that.

So you think I'm wrong on my view about Scripture, eh.
You can't understand that an army from north-west of Jerusalem could be Rome, or that what they are said to do is just what Rome is described as doing during the years of Jesus and after that up to about 70AD.
You can explain who everybody is in Daniel 11 using the Bible alone, you so far haven't you dash off to some book about earth's history of warfare. I guess I need to remind you, again, that to supply the info it has to come from actual Scripture. That is how the Bible works, each question has an answer inside all those pages, there is no need to go to outside sources, if you do you will get the sory messed up, royally so BTW.
And then there is your favorite one, Revelation is past.
Do you even understand the words in this 4 verses, they can be taken at face value.
2Th:2:1-4
Now we beseech you,
brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
or be troubled,
neither by spirit,
nor by word,
nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.


So Scratch, did you actually have a point to make or are you just trolling and trying to rack up some numbers to your post total?

 

[Tonington]

Going from hoofs to fins would be an example of evolution.

No it wouldn't...there are too many forms in between hoofs and fins for that to happen in one step. Your understanding of evolution needs some tweaking...

Evolution isn't a large jump, it's slow gradual change. Incremental.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Mormons would disagree with you. Baha'is would disagree with you. They have exactly the same kind of evidence for their beliefs that you do for yours, a self-identified prophet claiming divine revelation, and they believe no less firmly than you do. Christians too would disagree with you, believing the New Testament to be the last word. At best only one of them can be right, and that's only four of at least thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of religious systems humans have believed in over the years. How is one to choose among them when the evidence is the same for all of them? Considering what we know now of the common ways people delude themselves into believing things they want to be true but aren't, via errors in logic and perception--here's a nice long list of them--the most reasonable conclusion is that none of them have anything to do with reality, they're all delusions.

muhammed In bible : -

There are a number of places in the Old Testament talking about the coming of Muhammad, peace be upon him. For instance, in Dueteronomy 18:15 "A prophet like unto Moses".

Consider, first of all, Muhammad, peace be upon him, was born as a descendent of Abraham, peace be upon him, through his first born son, Ishmael (Ismail in Arabic), peace be upon him, to the noble tribe of the Quraish who were the leaders of Makkah in those days. Muhammad's blood line traces directly back to Abraham, peace be upon him.
This could certainly point to fulfillment of Old Testament (Torah) prophecies in Deuteronomy (chapter 18:15) of a prophet, like unto Moses from "their brethren."​

Here it is in Deuteronomy, chapter 18, from King James Version:

15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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Compare the life of Jesus, peace be upon him to the life of Moses (that is who God is speaking to in this chapter) and then compare the life of Muhammad, peace be upon him, to the life of Moses. And see how many comparisons really fit and how many don't.
[click here for more details on this topic] prophetofislam.com/what_did_he_do.php
And chapter 42 of Isaiah is almost as if you were viewing a brief biography of our prophet, peace be upon him.
Here it is from the Book of Isaiah, chapter 42, in the King James Version:

Isaiah 42

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.

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but I search to Baha'is in quran this what I see :-

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Sahih International: Muْammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.​

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Sahih International: And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, "It has been inspired to me," while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, "I will reveal [something] like what Allah revealed." And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, [saying], "Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and [that] you were, toward His verses, being arrogant."​

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[Dexter Sinister]

LOL what a crock, you explaining what the Bible is saying, you really should get a grip...

Every time I start thinking you might be worth talking to, you toss out some stupid ad hominem crack like that. I think I'll try coming down to your level of debate: anyone who thinks the Bible is literally true is ignorant and foolish.