Does God exist?

[darkbeaver]

God is not a he.

 

[scratch]

God is not a he.

....nor a she....nor anything

Pure observation (or lack of).

scratch

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I've got a challenge for "Muslims;" an experiment if you like. Say some of these prayers where he promises to come to your aid against people like me: (or others if you'd rather)

Our Lord! Lay open the truth between us and our people, for You are the best of all to lay open the truth. (7:89)

Our Lord! Take us not to task if we forget or fall into error. Our Lord! Lay not upon us such a burden as you did lay upon those before us. Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear, grant us forgiveness and have mercy on us. You are our Protector. Help us against those who deny the truth. (2:286)





Then come back here and post your new evidence. Post the proof that god gave you to put myself and any other heathens here in their place!

If I seem like I am being harsh it is only because Islam and its adherents make outrageous and indefensible claims. Since Muhammad promises to help his believers then, if he isn't a scoundrel, I expect to be put firmly in my place.

If, on the other hand, the "faithful" can't come up with any real evidence then I proclaim Muhammad a fraud!

How can you fail? God says he will help you. Unless your, you know, chicken, because you know the whole god/Muhammad thing is BS.

So later today, say around 7est?

P.S. just to be fair (to show I'm not singling anyone out) I'll make the same challenge to any other wish thinkers. Just name your religion :lol:

Sahih International: And obey Allah and His Messenger, and do not dispute and [thus] lose courage and [then] your strength would depart; and be patient. Indeed, Allah is with the patient.​

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Sahih International: And do not be like those who came forth from their homes insolently and to be seen by people and avert [them] from the way of Allah . And Allah is encompassing of what they do.​

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Sahih International: And [remember] when Satan made their deeds pleasing to them and said, "No one can overcome you today from among the people, and indeed, I am your protector." But when the two armies sighted each other, he turned on his heels and said, "Indeed, I am disassociated from you. Indeed, I see what you do not see; indeed I fear Allah . And Allah is severe in penalty."​

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Sahih International: [Remember] when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts was disease said, "Their religion has deluded those [Muslims]." But whoever relies upon Allah - then indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.​

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Sahih International: And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved... They are striking their faces and their backs and [saying], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire.​

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Sahih International: That is for what your hands have put forth [of evil] and because Allah is not ever unjust to His servants."​

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Sahih International: [Theirs is] like the custom of the people of Pharaoh and of those before them. They disbelieved in the signs of Allah , so Allah seized them for their sins. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and severe in penalty.​

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Sahih International: That is because Allah would not change a favor which He had bestowed upon a people until they change what is within themselves. And indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing.​

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Sahih International: [Theirs is] like the custom of the people of Pharaoh and of those before them. They denied the signs of their Lord, so We destroyed them for their sins, and We drowned the people of Pharaoh. And all [of them] were wrongdoers.​

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Sahih International: Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -​

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Sahih International: The ones with whom you made a treaty but then they break their pledge every time, and they do not fear Allah .​

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Sahih International: So if you, [O Muْammad], gain dominance over them in war, disperse by [means of] them those behind them that perhaps they will be reminded.​

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Sahih International: If you [have reason to] fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty] back to them, [putting you] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors.​

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Sahih International: And let not those who disbelieve think they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure [to Allah

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we are dispute with we selves ,

then we the winds going ,

but when we not dispute no one able to defeat we ,​

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

So you just take the word of a mass murderer and paedophile?

He has no evidence or proof; his science is bogus, but he says he talks to angels and that's good enough for you?

You can't even defend him except to refer to his inane writing.

Before We Begin our "A to Z of Muhammad" - Let's See What 12 Famous People Have Said About Muhammad (peace be upon him) Throughout the Centuries...

His complete biography has been authenticated and circulated amongst scholars around the world starting while he was still alive and continuing up until today. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:


(Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."

[Vol. 12]

Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:


"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."


[Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.]

According to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad was the most excellent example for all of humanity. Even non-Muslim historians recognize him to be one of the most successful personalities in history. Read what the Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1946:


"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."

While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, consider this:


"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"


[Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]

And then we read what George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:


"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."


[The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936]

Then we found that K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:


"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."

What should we think about our prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when someone with the worldly status such as Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, peace be upon him, says in 'Young India':


"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

English author Thomas Carlyle in his 'Heroes and Hero Worship', was simply amazed:


"How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."

And Diwan Chand Sharma wrote in "The Prophets of the East":


"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"


[D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12]


Muhammad, peace be upon him, was nothing more or less than a human being, but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:


"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."


[S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169]

In the words of Professor Hurgronje:


"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."

Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, on the profession of ISLAM, writes in "History of the Saracen Empires":


"I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."


[History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54]

EWolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said:


"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."

[Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32]


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[ahmadabdalrhman]

What I was questioning was your statement that the Koran is the last word of God.

Have not the Muslim Faith had teachers and leaders that carried inspiration and were inspired by God after Mohammed?

Other faiths have acknowledged "God' Messengers" in the form of prophets, saints, etc. through the centuries, are you saying that the Muslim Faith has not?

This being the case, there is no last word of God.

God Lives.

yup..:smile:

the quran last word from god

and what prophet mohammad say ,

Sahih International: Muْammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.​

Sahih International: And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, "It has been inspired to me," while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, "I will reveal [something] like what Allah revealed." And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, [saying], "Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and [that] you were, toward His verses, being arrogant."​

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Sahih International: [It will be said to them], "And you have certainly come to Us alone as We created you the first time, and you have left whatever We bestowed upon you behind you. And We do not see with you your 'intercessors' which you claimed that they were among you associates [of Allah ]. It has [all] been severed between you, and lost from you is what you used to claim."​

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Sahih International: Indeed, Allah is the cleaver of grain and date seeds. He brings the living out of the dead and brings the dead out of the living. That is Allah ; so how are you deluded?​

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Sahih International: [He is] the cleaver of daybreak and has made the night for rest and the sun and moon for calculation. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.​

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Sahih International: And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.​

Sahih International: [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.​

Sahih International: And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.​

Sahih International: And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.​

here the quran​

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

What's this? No takers on my challenge?

I responded to you

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Actually if I look into myself I see a couple lungs, blood, muscle tissue, bones, etc. If I study my character or personality, I find that I have not ever needed the belief in a superstitious and fictitious being or have need of anthropomorphising the universe.

no you are learning that from ambiance hooping about for you ,
but you have questions and all people have questions
how I was become in this life ?
why I was become in this life?
and the people need to know truth but with guide-lines not
like sightless to the following to what preachers he saying and he do not thought

the quran he have information no human can know It that time ,

huh?

Allah Say insurat Fussilat (Detailed) verse 11: "Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said, "We come willingly."

Allah Say in Surat (Al-Dhareyat – "Drivers of the Wind"), verse 47: "We have built the heaven with might, and We will continue to expand it."

"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we have made everything living. Will they not then believe?" {surat Al-Anbeyaa (The prophets)-verse 30}

"smoke" before 1400 years as Allah Say: "Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve you verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe you unto Him equals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds [9] He set on it (the earth) mountains standing firm, and blessed it, and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance) [10] Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said, "We come willingly [11]" {surat Fussilat (Detailed)}

suratAl Ra'd (the Thunder), verse 2 when He Say:
"Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see; then He is on the Throne, He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law), each one runs (in its orbit) to an appointed time. He regulates all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that you may be certain of meeting your Lord."

Al-fatq} which means the phase when the earth and heavens exploded after being a one solid mass).

The world looks fine to me. Some of the people in it don't, though.

that good but to become very good to this world and world next that is the you are bettering next world for ever
this life like today or little today of comparable to next life .

Actually there are many gods in this world, Jehovah, Allah, Shiva, Ra, Thor, Neptune, etc.

there is one god that is the truth and the human paganize with the god other god from he misjudges ,
and the allah
It is the intendment
in arabic the " god "
and the god it

Sahih International: Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,​

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Sahih International: Allah , the Eternal Refuge.​

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Sahih International: He neither begets nor is born,​

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Sahih International: Nor is there to Him any equivalent."​

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Sahih International: Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.​

here​

I haven't seen any fights between gods except in the movies.

that becase the god is one

So you say. But it is only that you say so. There are no facts, no evidence supporting what you say.

So you say. But it is only that you say so. There are no facts, no evidence supporting what you say.
no there facts the quran he have information no one can
know it that time
the quran

Yup. I saw my wife create a solar system with our kids once. I know these creators.

of downright you see he system the god create It ,

No, I don't know that. I haven't ever seen one god let alone many.

of downright you see he system he is correlative

No thanks. I try to stick to reading books with useful info.

It is very useful info ,

but

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Sahih International: There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.​

:smile: :smile: :smile:​

 

[Scott Free]

I responded to you

OK, thank you, it's nice to see someone is sincere in their belief.

I cannot accept Muhammad by reading quotes from him because that necessarily assumes he is telling the truth to prove he is telling the truth. Which is a logic fallacy. He makes fantastical claims that need outside verification. For example he claims to know what Allah is thinking. How do we know he knows that? Because he says he does but that isn't good enough. He needs to prove it.

I can say I know what god thinks. There is the proof of my divinity! Prove me wrong!

You see? Such claims prove nothing.

I think it is quite deliberate that Muhammad forces his believers to use fallacies to prove him. If all you have are his words as proof then he can claim anything.

I can likewise not accept testimony from other people about Islam, Mohammad or god. In all instances, knowing people to be the imperfect creatures they are, it is more probable that they are misguided, delusional, unthinking, careless in their investigation, lying, wish thinking, mistaken etc.. then that Muhammad is anything more than just a delusional crazy person.

I need real actual proof. If he can not provide this then he isn't who he says he is and, likewise, no one believes in him - not even you.

If you say you believe based on evidence then you should be able to provide it - must be able to prove it. You have provided two (so far) fallacies: begging the question and ad populum. If you say you have faith in him and that doesn't need evidence then you are saying you believe despite there being no evidence. If there is no evidence then what do you have faith in? What are you basing your faith on? You are basing it on nothing if you have no evidence and therefore there is no justification for the faith. Which is fine if that's how you wish to waste your life. I just think it is sad.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Scott Free

OK, thank you, it's nice to see someone is sincere in their belief.

if that truth do not abuse the their belief ,

I cannot accept Muhammad by reading quotes from him because that necessarily assumes he is telling the truth to prove he is telling the truth. Which is a logic fallacy. He makes fantastical claims that need outside verification. For example he claims to know what Allah is thinking. How do we know he knows that? Because he says he does but that isn't good enough. He needs to prove it.

I can say I know what god thinks. There is the proof of my divinity! Prove me wrong!

You see? Such claims prove nothing.

I think it is quite deliberate that Muhammad forces his believers to use fallacies to prove him. If all you have are his words as proof then he can claim anything.

Sahih International: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.​

I can likewise not accept testimony from other people about Islam, Mohammad or god. In all instances, knowing people to be the imperfect creatures they are, it is more probable that they are misguided, delusional, unthinking, careless in their investigation, lying, wish thinking, mistaken etc.. then that Muhammad is anything more than just a delusional crazy person.

Sahih International: [Abraham] said, "Then what is your business [here], O messengers?"​

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Sahih International: They said, "Indeed, we have been sent to a people of criminals​

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Sahih International: To send down upon them stones of clay,​

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Sahih International: Marked in the presence of your Lord for the transgressors."​

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Sahih International: So We brought out whoever was in the cities of the believers.​

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Sahih International: And We found not within them other than a [single] house of Muslims.​

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Sahih International: And We left therein a sign for those who fear the painful punishment.​

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Sahih International: And in Moses [was a sign], when We sent him to Pharaoh with clear authority.​

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Sahih International: But he turned away with his supporters and said," A magician or a madman."​

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Sahih International: So We took him and his soldiers and cast them into the sea, and he was blameworthy.​

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Sahih International: And in 'Aad [was a sign], when We sent against them the barren wind.​

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Sahih International: It left nothing of what it came upon but that it made it like disintegrated ruins.​

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Sahih International: And in Thamud, when it was said to them, "Enjoy yourselves for a time."​

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Sahih International: But they were insolent toward the command of their Lord, so the thunderbolt seized them while they were looking on.​

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Sahih International: And they were unable to arise, nor could they defend themselves.​

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Sahih International: And [We destroyed] the people of Noah before; indeed, they were a people defiantly disobedient.​

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Sahih International: And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.​

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Sahih International: And the earth We have spread out, and excellent is the preparer.​

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Sahih International: And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.​

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Sahih International: So flee to Allah . Indeed, I am to you from Him a clear warner.​

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Sahih International: And do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity. Indeed, I am to you from Him a clear warner.​

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Sahih International: Similarly, there came not to those before them any messenger except that they said, "A magician or a madman."​

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Sahih International: Did they suggest it to them? Rather, they [themselves] are a transgressing people.​

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Sahih International: So leave them, [O Muْammad], for you are not to be blamed.​

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Sahih International: And remind, for indeed, the reminder benefits the believers.​

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Sahih International: And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.​

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Sahih International: I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.​

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Sahih International: Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.​

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Sahih International: And indeed, for those who have wronged is a portion [of punishment] like the portion of their predecessors, so let them not impatiently urge Me.​

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Sahih International: And woe to those who have disbelieved from their Day which they are promised.​

I need real actual proof. If he can not provide this then he isn't who he says he is and, likewise, no one believes in him - not even you.

??????????????????

I believe in god ,,

Sahih International: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.​

If you say you believe based on evidence then you should be able to provide it - must be able to prove it. You have provided two (so far) fallacies: begging the question and ad populum. If you say you have faith in him and that doesn't need evidence then you are saying you believe despite there being no evidence. If there is no evidence then what do you have faith in? What are you basing your faith on? You are basing it on nothing if you have no evidence and therefore there is no justification for the faith. Which is fine if that's how you wish to waste your life. I just think it is sad

I have evidence the quran ,

Sahih International: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.​

 

[Northboy]

yup..:smile:

the quran last word from god

and what prophet mohammad say ,

Sahih International: Muْammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.​

Sahih International: And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, "It has been inspired to me," while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, "I will reveal [something] like what Allah revealed." And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, [saying], "Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and [that] you were, toward His verses, being arrogant."​

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Sahih International: [It will be said to them], "And you have certainly come to Us alone as We created you the first time, and you have left whatever We bestowed upon you behind you. And We do not see with you your 'intercessors' which you claimed that they were among you associates [of Allah ]. It has [all] been severed between you, and lost from you is what you used to claim."​

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Sahih International: Indeed, Allah is the cleaver of grain and date seeds. He brings the living out of the dead and brings the dead out of the living. That is Allah ; so how are you deluded?​

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Sahih International: [He is] the cleaver of daybreak and has made the night for rest and the sun and moon for calculation. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.​

006.097​

Sahih International: And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.​

Sahih International: [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.​

Sahih International: And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.​

Sahih International: And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.​

here the quran​

I simply don't agree.:lol:

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I simply don't agree.:lol:

Sahih International: There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

:smile: :smile: :smile:​

 

[Scott Free]

??????????????????

I believe in god ,,

No you don't.

Belief requires a basis. You have no basis except you hope it is true. Hope is not a basis. Therefore you do not believe but rather you hope there is a god.

I would agree if you said you "hope in god."

You do not "believe" there is air. You know there is air. Therefore you have faith that you can take your next breath.

You have no faith god will answer your prayer, you only hope he will. This is why when you pray and nothing happens your not surprised. Imagine how surprised you'd be if you went to take your next breath and there was no air? That is the difference between faith and wishing.

 

[Scott Free]

if that truth do not abuse the their belief ,

I am under no obligation to handle someones vain imaginings with kid gloves. Religion and blind stupidity have caused too much trouble in the world.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I am under no obligation to handle someones vain imaginings with kid gloves. Religion and blind stupidity have caused too much trouble in the world.

I simply don't agree. not just Religion reason from trouble in the world ,

and the Religion (( Islam ))

reason more from development in knowing In world ,

ask andalusia what element from scientists was there ??

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

No you don't.

Belief requires a basis. You have no basis except you hope it is true. Hope is not a basis. Therefore you do not believe but rather you hope there is a god.

I would agree if you said you "hope in god."

You do not "believe" there is air. You know there is air. Therefore you have faith that you can take your next breath.

You have no faith god will answer your prayer, you only hope he will. This is why when you pray and nothing happens your not surprised. Imagine how surprised you'd be if you went to take your next breath and there was no air? That is the difference between faith and wishing.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you are enter to my heart ???

I have basis the (( quran ))

If the god do not answer me prayer !!

how answer me prayer ?? you are ??

Sahih International: Competition in [worldly] increase diverts you​

102.002​

Sahih International: Until you visit the graveyards.​

102.003​

Sahih International: No! You are going to know.​

102.004​

Sahih International: Then no! You are going to know.​

102.005​

Sahih International: No! If you only knew with knowledge of certainty...​

102.006​

Sahih International: You will surely see the Hellfire.​

102.007​

Sahih International: Then you will surely see it with the eye of certainty.​

102.008​

Sahih International: Then you will surely be asked that Day about pleasure​

 

[Scott Free]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you are enter to my heart ???

The heart has nothing to do with belief. It has everything to do with desire, want and need i.e. wish thinking.

I have basis the (( quran ))

You know the quran is true because the quran says it's true - which is not basis, it's a fallacy.

I could say I am from god. The only thing that keeps you from believing me is that you hope it isn't true. You hope the quran is true and that isn't a basis and it certainly isn't belief.

If the god do not answer me prayer !!

The god says he will answer your prayer. If he doesn't answer your prayer then he has lied.

how answer me prayer ?? you are ??

I am just as capable of answering your prayers as your god is.

That is because your god does not answer prayers.

Say a prayer to smite me - kill the heretic by the loving grace of your deity - tell him to kill me tonight in my sleep. It's OK, I want you to. If he kills me then I'll know the truth. So please pray for me to die (since god only does nasty stuff) that I will learn the truth. I am asking for you to.

If I talk to you tomorrow then you know god did not answer your prayer and he is a filthy lier. If you never hear from me again then you and everyone here will know god is true and, not only that, the Islamic god is true!

Wow, wouldn't that be a kick in the pants? :lol:

I bet it would even surprise you! 8O

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Is this article true or not?

Partially both, but on the critical point you're trying to make, the answer is, not. It establishes that Tacitus had heard the same stories you have, that's all. Note that Tacitus had to explain to his readers what Christians were, he didn't expect them to know it. He refers to Pilate the same way the gospels do, as "procurator," the title current in Tacitus' day and the time the gospels were written. Pilate's actual title was the older term, "prefect," which he'd have known if he'd consulted Roman records. Tacitus was simply repeating the story of their origins told by Christians themselves, it doesn't constitute independent corroboration.

Coming from a 'scientist' that doesn't give me much assurance that you will say "I don't know' if in fact there is a subject where you don't know the reason or sequence or whatever the truthful answer requires.

I have many times said I don't know something or don't understand something. Read my posts. You're the one who claims to have absolute knowledge.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

The heart has nothing to do with belief. It has everything to do with desire, want and need i.e. wish thinking.

no , the heart he belief the complex In heart after thinking pensive

from the head and then rest to him the heart ,

You know the quran is true because the quran says it's true - which is not basis, it's a fallacy.

I could say I am from god. The only thing that keeps you from believing me is that you hope it isn't true. You hope the quran is true and that isn't a basis and it certainly isn't belief.

you are no have guide

the quran have guides to confirm him ,

The god says he will answer your prayer. If he doesn't answer your prayer then he has lied.

no ,

the prayer to god answer some prayer my

I am just as capable of answering your prayers as your god is.

That is because your god does not answer prayers.

you are just think that and you do not know ,

Say a prayer to smite me - kill the heretic by the loving grace of your deity - tell him to kill me tonight in my sleep. It's OK, I want you to. If he kills me then I'll know the truth. So please pray for me to die (since god only does nasty stuff) that I will learn the truth. I am asking for you to.

If I talk to you tomorrow then you know god did not answer your prayer and he is a filthy lier. If you never hear from me again then you and everyone here will know god is true and, not only that, the Islamic god is true!

Wow, wouldn't that be a kick in the pants? :lol:

I bet it would even surprise you!
8O

029.053​

Sahih International: And they urge you to hasten the punishment. And if not for [the decree of] a specified term, punishment would have reached them. But it will surely come to them suddenly while they perceive not.​

029.054​

Sahih International: They urge you to hasten the punishment. And indeed, Hell will be encompassing of the disbelievers​

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Sahih International: On the Day the punishment will cover them from above them and from below their feet and it is said, "Taste [the result of] what you used to do."​

029.056​

Sahih International: O My servants who have believed, indeed My earth is spacious, so worship only Me.​

029.057​

Sahih International: Every soul will taste death. Then to Us will you be returned.​

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Sahih International: And those who have believed and done righteous deeds - We will surely assign to them of Paradise [elevated] chambers beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Excellent is the reward of the [righteous] workers​

the quran

 

[Dexter Sinister]

no ,

the prayer to god answer some prayer my

you are just think that and you do not know

No, he knows alright, and so do I. Both the Quran and the Bible promise that prayers will be answered. So try praying for something completely selfless that would be of great benefit and could cause no conceivable harm, like the remission of all childhood cancers.Get everybody you know to pray for the same thing at the same time, to relieve this suffering of the innocents, enlist people of other faiths if you know any, ask them all to pray earnestly and seriously for the welfare of the children. You know perfectly well what'll happen: nothing. The prayers will not be answered, the promise will be shown to be a lie, and you'll rationalize it by retreating into some mystic nonsense about god having mysterious purposes of his own that it's not given to us to understand.

 

[talloola]

Yes Dexter, and it has always been that way. Prayers do nothing, but real action
can do much. That is why we have doctors, relief workers, physio therapists,
people who assist others to and from hospitals, drivers for serious ill persons who
have to go for chemo etc., child psychologists, policemen, firemen, and many others
who do 'real' work to help others, while many people sit around praying, these people
are out there actually helping, in a real way.
Can you imagine if we depended on prayer to actually do something, - nothing would
happen, and if somelthing happens 'coincidentally' close to a prayer having been said,
they jump all over it, and say it was the prayer that made it happen.
Prayer makes the person who is praying feel better, it goes no further than that.