Does God exist?

[china]

Hi Dexter Sinister ,

Quoting china Ask yourself a question ;who am I ? find an answer .Can you?

Yes, I can find an answer to that, at least for myself, that's one of life's easiest questions.

Than obviously it is also easy for you to find the answer as to the question where you came from ?( I don't mean your mother or some wise man who told you you came from here or there) .I also think Deter that what you think what you know as 'yourself' ,is an image that you have created of your self and keep on creating it ( also hear, in this forum).

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[Dexter Sinister]

Than obviously it is also easy for you to find the answer as to the question where you came from ?

Yes, evolutionary biology provides a perfectly satisfactory answer to that.

I also think Deter that what you think what you know as 'yourself' ,is an image that you have created of your self and keep on creating it

Yes, I know that too, it's an assumption that suits your mystical view of the world, which I think is quite wrong.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes, I can find an answer to that, at least for myself, that's one of life's easiest questions. I can't answer it for anybody else of course, and I wouldn't try, but I certainly know who * I* am, and I have no memory of ever not knowing. I was an adolescent in the 1960s when a lot of people seemed to be trying to "find" themselves by backpacking around Europe or joining communes or drugging themselves into insensibility, and it always seemed to me that if you can't "find" yourself, whatever the Hell anyone thinks that means, when you're straight and sober and at home, you aren't going to find yourself anywhere.

I have a different idea about that Dex. We (humans) often experiance difficultys with self identity while we are in the crowd and subject to rote, familiarity or the normal undemanding adherance to the system. It is usual that we really never know just exactly who or what we are untill we are met with a situation that demands clarity and or action. So while we may satisfy our self discription through normal intellectual means we seldom find ourselves in situations of do or die that truly define our limits and fits.
PS Most did not drug themselves into insensibility but rather to alternative sensibility.
Have a good thanksgiving weekend.

 

[scratch]

I have a different idea about that Dex. We (humans) often experiance difficultys with self identity while we are in the crowd and subject to rote, familiarity or the normal undemanding adherance to the system. It is usual that we really never know just exactly who or what we are untill we are met with a situation that demands clarity and or action. So while we may satisfy our self discription through normal intellectual means we seldom find ourselves in situations of do or die that truly define our limits and fits.
PS Most did not drug themselves into insensibility but rather to alternative sensibility.
Have a good thanksgiving weekend.

Good Morning, d,b.,

I've never thought of it that way.
Thank you for your insight.

Regards,
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[Dexter Sinister]

I have a different idea about that Dex.

I knew you would... :smile:

I agree that we really won't know what we're made of until life tests us, and how we deal with those things is what'll define us to ourselves, but I've always found it pointless to go looking for them, life will hand them to us whether we want them or not. Frankly I think most people don't want them. They're difficult to deal with, and I've seen a lot of people make a pretty bad job of it.

I don't think you can drug yourself into an alternate sensibility though. I've never known anyone who could legitimately argue that such experiences were helpful. When your brains are addled by drink or drugs your sensibilities will be different alright, but odds are they won't have much to do with reality.

Have a good thanksgiving weekend.

Thanks for your good wishes, and the same to you. We're supposed to get 15 cm of snow here... :angry3:

 

[darkbeaver]

I knew you would... :smile:

I agree that we really won't know what we're made of until life tests us, and how we deal with those things is what'll define us to ourselves, but I've always found it pointless to go looking for them, life will hand them to us whether we want them or not. Frankly I think most people don't want them. They're difficult to deal with, and I've seen a lot of people make a pretty bad job of it.

I don't think you can drug yourself into an alternate sensibility though. I've never known anyone who could legitimately argue that such experiences were helpful. When your brains are addled by drink or drugs your sensibilities will be different alright, but odds are they won't have much to do with reality. Thanks for your good wishes, and the same to you. We're supposed to get 15 cm of snow here... :angry3:

You have used the S word, 15cm of it, I hope you've got the tires, batteries, snow shovels, mittens, anti-freeze, parka, fire wood things done. It's interesting to see who had what insight while under the influence, the facsimili of reality clouds reason more than we think.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I have a different idea about that Dex. We (humans) often experiance difficultys with self identity while we are in the crowd and subject to rote, familiarity or the normal undemanding adherance to the system. It is usual that we really never know just exactly who or what we are untill we are met with a situation that demands clarity and or action. So while we may satisfy our self discription through normal intellectual means we seldom find ourselves in situations of do or die that truly define our limits and fits.
PS Most did not drug themselves into insensibility but rather to alternative sensibility.
Have a good thanksgiving weekend.

prophet muhammed (pbuh) :- say:-

“Truly amazing is the affair of the believer. His affair only contains good. If he is blessed with good he thanks God and in that there is good. And if he is afflicted with difficulty he patiently endures and in that there is good.” (Sahih Muslim)

 

[talloola]

prophet muhammed (pbuh) :- say:-

“Truly amazing is the affair of the believer. His affair only contains good. If he is blessed with good he thanks God and in that there is good. And if he is afflicted with difficulty he patiently endures and in that there is good.” (Sahih Muslim)

Yeah right, well, we can all figure that out, we are human and intelligent, and some of
us can endure more than others, and most of us can endure much more than we thought,
as we come upon situations throughout our lives which prove that point.
"Truly amazing is the affair of the human.", as we are amazing creatures, with or without
our beliefs in religion, being a believer, has nothing to do with much of anything.
An intelligent human being can 'deal' with the bad, not by suffering through it thinking some god will make it better, BUT, by facing the problem and figuring out how to deal
with it 'themselves', with eyes wide open, using patience, energy, and research and having
'faith' in those around them to help and support, because friends and family are the
true support system in times of crisis.

 

[talloola]

prophet muhammed (pbuh) :- say:-

“Truly amazing is the affair of the believer. His affair only contains good. If he is blessed with good he thanks God and in that there is good. And if he is afflicted with difficulty he patiently endures and in that there is good.” (Sahih Muslim)

Yeah right, well, we can all figure that out, we are human and intelligent, and some of
us can endure more than others, and most of us can endure much more than we thought,
as we come upon situations throughout our lives which prove that point.
"Truly amazing is the affair of the human.", as we are amazing creatures, with or without
our beliefs in religion, being a believer, has nothing to do with much of anything.
An intelligent human being can 'deal' with the bad, not by suffering through it thinking some god will make it better, BUT, by facing the problem and figuring out how to deal
with it 'themselves', with eyes wide open, using patience, energy, and research and having
'faith' in those around them to help and support, because friends and family are the
true support system in times of crisis.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Yeah right, well, we can all figure that out, we are human and intelligent, and some of
us can endure more than others, and most of us can endure much more than we thought,
as we come upon situations throughout our lives which prove that point.
"Truly amazing is the affair of the human.", as we are amazing creatures, with or without
our beliefs in religion, being a believer, has nothing to do with much of anything.
An intelligent human being can 'deal' with the bad, not by suffering through it thinking some god will make it better, BUT, by facing the problem and figuring out how to deal
with it 'themselves', with eyes wide open, using patience, energy, and research and having
'faith' in those around them to help and support, because friends and family are the
true support system in times of crisis.

the human create from soul and body ,

and if the aliment of human body need filled

and do not feed he is soul him

then he hate the life and may he seek to suicide ,,

and there how have millirad he seek to suicide ,,

but the believer he aliment he soul and the body what he need

then he become happy ..:smile:

 

[china]

Quoting china Than obviously it is also easy for you to find the answer as to the question where you came from ?
( I don't mean your mother or some wise man who told you you came from here or there)

Yes, evolutionary biology provides a perfectly satisfactory answer to that.

So....,what is the answer Dexter S ?

 

[talloola]

the human create from soul and body ,

and if the aliment of human body need filled

and do not feed he is soul him

then he hate the life and may he seek to suicide ,,

and there how have millirad he seek to suicide ,,

but the believer he aliment he soul and the body what he need

then he become happy ..:smile:

hmmm, easy for you to say;-), want to try again?, just take your time, take
a big breath, it'll be OK.;-)

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[Dexter Sinister]

So....,what is the answer Dexter S ?

You're unlikely to accept any answer I give you, so I'll refer you to Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker, Climbing Mount Improbable, and The Ancestor's Tale. And if you read only one of those three, make it the last one. The answer's in there, in plain English, in far more detail than I could provide in a post on a message board, written by somebody who knows far more about it than I do. There are, as I've said before, perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for where we all came from.

 

[talloola]

There are, as I've said before, perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for where we all came from.

And, that knowledge gives me great comfort, and balance within myself.
I am a fairly centered and realistic and logical person, and I cannot spend
my life believing we are controlled by a mythical being.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

hmmm, easy for you to say;-), want to try again?, just take your time, take
a big breath, it'll be OK.;-)

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no If you drew air the world all him not rest my heart just I say

لا إله إلا الله

explain :-

no god just one god .

forget It maybe not you feel it ever ,

listen to here

don't you're feeling in heart ?

 

[china]

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[china]

Dexter Sinster

You're unlikely to accept any answer I give you, so I'll refer you to Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker, Climbing Mount Improbable, and The Ancestor's Tale. And if you read only one of those three, make it the last one. The answer's in there, in plain English, in far more detail than I could provide in a post on a message board, written by somebody who knows far more about it than I do. There are, as I've said before, perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for where we all came from.

You are correct Dexter , I will not accept your answer or that of the three above authors No ,I don,t have to read their books .If their explanation was based on facts ,we would all know the answer to such an important question without listening to these "chosen few."

 

[MHz]

You're unlikely to accept any answer I give you, so I'll refer you to Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker, Climbing Mount Improbable, and The Ancestor's Tale. And if you read only one of those three, make it the last one.

http://www.blinkx.com/video/the-ancestor-tale/dnkR0EVANSpGo6wW0GfQMA

Is this video about the same principle?

I like the argument in the video below that since evolution happens so slowly it can't be observed directly. That makes it an unobservable 'thing' and it is therefore 'faith based' which is exactly what Dawkins' says should not be done.
http://www.blinkx.com/video/dawkins-admits-atheism-is-absurd/rzuIuSpU62NT4u_ipPW-Xg

You are allowed to post short portions of most material and as long as proper credit is give you violate no laws. It would also save others from having to read the whole thing is the case rests on a few simple statements.

Under those rules is the theory of evolution faith based or not?

The answer's in there, in plain English, in far more detail than I could provide in a post on a message board, written by somebody who knows far more about it than I do. There are, as I've said before, perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for where we all came from.

Don't you complain when Christians post the Scripture that covers some point in a topic, that seems to be the very same thing? Christ or God are both a lot better at explaining things than I am and those are the verses that got me to think along the same lines, or at least a portion, same as reading Dawkins did for you.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No, the theory of evolution is not faith based. Only someone with no understanding of it could even pose such a question. It's one of the best attested, most wide ranging and successful theories we have, and it's simply false to claim that it can't be observed. And it's not people posting extracts from scripture that I object to, it's the invalid argument from authority that represents.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You are correct Dexter , I will not accept your answer...

You see why I don't bother to respond to you much anymore? You're not really interested in views contrary to your own, and you refuse to look at the evidence for them.