Do you or do you not believe in God and why?

[petros]

Regardless of being wild, feral or domestic, no matter how remote or isolated humans have had spirituity and a sense of there being more than the "mater" that makes up the physical that spans time l the way back to there being two species.

We are no more intelligent, we may have more knowledge of the mater but we still know nothing, zero, zilch, zip, zant doodly squat about the pater.

Will the next species get it figgered out?

 

[talloola]

I think one of the problems is when people are looking for God they are looking for the wrong thing and that will never happen. Many of them are looking for someone who will fix things and make everything right. "God" is what makes you capable of accomplishing some of that. It's been proven beyond doubt that man is not the supreme being in the world.



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being a believer and obedient to a god/and/or religion have not made this world a better place,
not at all, those beliefs come between groups, and drive them apart, not closer together, we
could have a better chance to get along in this world together without that barrier.

religions are no different than large corporations competing for people, for their money, and for
their obedience.

the funniest thing I hear as we read through posts is the 'hell' thing, is it really true that people
still believe there is a hell, that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard, but as a child I was
very obedient and fearful, and at times worried that if I wasn't a very very good girl, I could very
well end up in hell, what an abusive thing to tell a child, I remember very clearly how I felt
all thru my childhood as a little catholic girl, attending catholic school, I learned many things
as a catholic girl growing up, and the most sensible thing I did later on, was to take a long hard
look and see the truth of what they are really doing to people, but never again 'to me' thank you.

when people think god is helping them thru a problem it is their own strength they have found, their
ability to find their way along, figure it out, survive, nothing else has done that, the person
has done it, what is between one's ears is the power and the key, if they are happy thinking that
a god has helped them, so be it, that is ok, but it was really just them, they just don't know
their own strength, that power they reached out to, is within their own being, they are really
believing in their own power.

I do have a very strong belief system, but it is for the human being itself, nothing else.


my husband has a very worrisome skin cancer problem, and our neighbour on two occasions told us that
she will pray for him in church on sunday, we thanked her very much, and she went away feeling quite
helpful and happy to do that, and we just looked at each other and smiled, and agreed that she thinks
she's helping, she's a nice lady, a kind lady, and our friend, and if she knew that we are both
non believers she would probably be horrified, and sad for us, and think we don't have a chance to
get to heaven. I don't think she could handle the thought that we don't believe in any god, she would
think that is impossible, people just can't do that.
she'll never know, for her own sake, but she will always be our friend and good neighbour.


I agree, we don't know at all how and why we are here, but because we don't know doesn't mean we have
to decide their could be a god, we just don't know, so I'm not going to make up something while we
wait to find out.

whatever power that got us here will be something much more realistic and sensible than a god.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It's been proven beyond doubt that man is not the supreme being in the world.

I'd like to see that proof.

 

[petros]

Got proof of dark matter?

 

[JLM]

I'd like to see that proof.

Just from the number of things that he has no control over and the number of things controlling man.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The Enlightenment that sprang from Christianity gave rise to much of the concepts of free will and formed the core of humanism. Many atheist scholars believe that without an underlying foundation of Christianity that Humansim and other humanist/atheist centric philosophies would actually die. If that is the case, how does the world move forward in peace and brotherhood in the absence of religion?

I would strongly dispute that belief. My reading of history tells me Christianity has pretty consistently resisted philosophical and scientific progress, and continues to where it has the power to do so, as in the debates about evolution and stem cell research and neuroscience. Religion by its nature is extremely conservative, the Enlightment didn't so much spring from Christianity as arise in resistance to its secular power, which is now mostly gone. Much of the history of the nominally Christian world over the last 400 years or so can be understood as Christianity retreating from making empirical claims about reality in the face of the scientific revolution.

Just from the number of things that he has no control over and the number of things controlling man.

I don't see how that proves anything about supreme beings.

Got proof of dark matter?

The evidence is there for anyone to see.

 

[DaSleeper]

The evidence is there for anyone to see.

Let's see it.....tangible evidence!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Basically the evidence is the observed large scale behaviour of the cosmos, which can't be accounted for by the matter we can see. The scientific literature can be pretty hard going, but there are plenty of accessible accounts of it. Scientific American and Discover magazines have covered it extensively, any good library will have several books about it, like In Search of Dark Matter by Geoff McNamara and Ken Freeman, and Google will turn up plenty of stuff from legitimate scientific sources. Do some research if you're really interested.

 

[petros]

So lets get this right? You believe there is dark matter or you know there is dark matter?

 

[DaSleeper]

People looking for intangibles usually find what they expect to find....like looking at an optical illusion...

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I don't see how that proves anything about supreme beings.

His original claim (the one you disputed) was that man was not the supreme being.

 

[Twila]

Researchers Claim To Have Found Evidence of Dark Matter In Inner Milky Way | IFLScience

In our new study, we obtained for the first time a direct observational proof of the presence of dark matter in the innermost part of the Milky Way,” co-author Miguel Pato from Stockholm University explained in a press release. “We have created the most complete compilation so far of published measurements of the motion of gas and stars in the Milky Way, and compared the measured rotation speed with that expected under the assumption that only luminous matter exists in the Galaxy. The observed rotation cannot be explained unless large amounts of dark matter exist around us, and between us and the Galactic centre.”

Prior research has found evidence of dark matter in the outer reaches of the galaxy, but this is the first to report it from the inner region. Because dark matter does not interact with light or radiation at all, it cannot be seen, and therefore must be observed indirectly. This can primarily be done by watching the effects of gravity acting on ordinary matter, such as the rotation of gas and stars within a galaxy. Detecting dark matter is easier to do on the outer fringes of the Milky Way, but it becomes difficult to see these effects on the inner galaxy because of our proximal vantage point and high mass density.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Researchers Claim To Have Found Evidence of Dark Matter In Inner Milky Way | IFLScience

In our new study, we obtained for the first time a direct observational proof of the presence of dark matter in the innermost part of the Milky Way,” co-author Miguel Pato from Stockholm University explained in a press release. “We have created the most complete compilation so far of published measurements of the motion of gas and stars in the Milky Way, and compared the measured rotation speed with that expected under the assumption that only luminous matter exists in the Galaxy. The observed rotation cannot be explained unless large amounts of dark matter exist around us, and between us and the Galactic centre.”

Prior research has found evidence of dark matter in the outer reaches of the galaxy, but this is the first to report it from the inner region. Because dark matter does not interact with light or radiation at all, it cannot be seen, and therefore must be observed indirectly. This can primarily be done by watching the effects of gravity acting on ordinary matter, such as the rotation of gas and stars within a galaxy. Detecting dark matter is easier to do on the outer fringes of the Milky Way, but it becomes difficult to see these effects on the inner galaxy because of our proximal vantage point and high mass density.

Or something added to physics to make the math work. Early astronomers added epi-circles into planets orbits to make the math work before they moved the sun. So either Dark Matter exists, or the other theories which the math is based upon are not 100% correct (or both).

 

[Dexter Sinister]

So lets get this right? You believe there is dark matter or you know there is dark matter?

Yes, let's get this right, starting with you. Anybody with the scientific training you have should know better than to phrase a question about a scientific issue that way. You're just trying to score cheap debating points, you know the only honest answer is "neither" and the question is irrelevant to the issue. In simple terms, my position would be that the existence of dark matter is a plausible and parsimonious explanation for certain observations of the motions of galaxies and stars within galaxies.

His original claim (the one you disputed) was that man was not the supreme being.

Yes, and the argument is not proof of the claim.

 

[petros]

Bullsh-t. All you have is a belief that is far from the fringes of possibility let alone probability.

I hope you aren't disappointed and turn you back on alchemy aka science too.

 

[JLM]

I don't see how that proves anything about supreme beings.

A supreme being is either "calling the shots" or has a direct influence on the one calling the shots. Man by and large does neither. There is a power known as "self fulfilling prophesy" that some individuals seem to have at certain times, but there is a limit to how well that works. Personally I've over come a few things in my own life just because I made up my mind I was going to. But that doesn't always work (for me anyway).

 

[talloola]

jlm, where is the 'supreme being' you think is out there somewhere, have you seen him/her?

no, that was silly of me to add the 'her', as when men made all of this up for their own benefit,
women didn't count for anything much at all, it has taken us hundreds of years to grind out our
rights, and we still are doing that,on our own, no help from any supreme anything, and a good thing
we haven't been sitting around waiting for that help, or we would still be 'nothing' in this world.

whatever people can manage to do or not do on their own is just life either working well, or not,
but we are making the decisions to make something happen, or just die trying, or from sickness,
or whatever, that is just nature at work, one lives then one dies, one succeeds at efforts or
not.
just watch many animal documentaries, the life cycle is so simple, same for us as for them, only
we can go to the supermarket for our food, they can't, nothing helping them from anywhere else,
just as there is nothing helping us, we are all together on this earth, and man isn't more
important than any of the other life on earth, just has a higher thought process, too bad we don't
use it better, that is also man's decision to be productive or not, doesn't come from anywhere else.
if we needed all of that 'supreme being' interference or guidance' we wouldn't be so smart to begin
with, wouldn't have to be, just wait for help from, where?

 

[petros]

The belief in science relies on something that simply has too exist or their entire belief in the Universe collapses. Faith keeps them motivated to keep looking for what may or may not exist.

Sound familiar?

jlm, where is the 'supreme being' you think is out there somewhere, have you seen him/her?

no, that was silly of me to add the 'her', as when men made all of this up for their own benefit,
women didn't count for anything much at all, it has taken us hundreds of years to grind out our
rights, and we still are doing that,on our own, no help from any supreme anything, and a good thing
we haven't been sitting around waiting for that help, or we would still be 'nothing' in this world.

whatever people can manage to do or not do on their own is just life either working well, or not,
but we are making the decisions to make something happen, or just die trying, or from sickness,
or whatever, that is just nature at work, one lives then one dies, one succeeds at efforts or
not.
just watch many animal documentaries, the life cycle is so simple, same for us as for them, only
we can go to the supermarket for our food, they can't, nothing helping them from anywhere else,
just as there is nothing helping us, we are all together on this earth, and man isn't more
important than any of the other life on earth, just has a higher thought process, too bad we don't
use it better, that is also man's decision to be productive or not, doesn't come from anywhere else.
if we needed all of that 'supreme being' interference or guidance' we wouldn't be so smart to begin
with, wouldn't have to be, just wait for help from, where?

Silly girl, you can't see energy you can only see it effects on your reality.

 

[Corduroy]

It's been proven beyond doubt that man is not the supreme being in the world.

Elves?

It's elves isn't it? God, they're so full of themselves.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Elves?

It's elves isn't it? God, they're so full of themselves.

I know, right? They're all "We are the Eldritch Race, the First. We are immortal, and we have the option of sailing across the sea to Elvenhome whenever we want."

Douchebags, the lot of them.