Do you believe in EVIL?

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Both exist in the minds of mankind.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

YouTube - Jesus Christ Isnt God or the son of God

 

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[ahmadabdalrhman]

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ain10:

 

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..... وخطتك جديد أن يجعل حصتك ماذا?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

..... وخطتك جديد أن يجعل حصتك ماذا?

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جعلت بيان أنّ لا يتضمّن قتل ال [إينفيدلس].

 

[Cliffy]

My Mac has built in translators but I have no idea how to use them. I would like to know what that little exchange was all about.

 

[MHz]

And make your plan, your new Why?

 

[talloola]

Sure I believe in 'evil'. pedafiles, torcherers, homocide bombers, rapists, child/wife abusers, murdurers, and
anyone else including women, who fits that profile.

 

[Cliffy]

talloola,

You forgot religious fruit loops who kill because they believe it is god's will. That would include such mass murderers as George (god told me to do it) Dubbya.

 

[talloola]

of course, he should be thrown in with the rest

 

[scratch]

For reasons that I personally cannot see justification for these `fruit loops` seem to cling to various religious beliefs.

 

[MHz]

You forgot religious fruit loops who kill because they believe it is god's will. That would include such mass murderers as George (god told me to do it) Dubbya.

What's worse in cases like this is they don't even get their hands dirty. If he is surrounded by Christians how come nobody can find any NT verses that allow for this type of campaign, they could always claim he had them over a barrel, literally.

 

[In Between Man]

Sure I believe in 'evil'. pedafiles, torcherers, homocide bombers, rapists, child/wife abusers, murdurers, and
anyone else including women, who fits that profile.

And when you recognize such evil, what standard are you comparing it to?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If you want to get screwed up read a bit of Scripture then confirm it in 'many' history books before moving on. Aren't you living proof that it stalls any development? LOL

Boy, you just can't resist the ad hominem cheap shot, can you. I had to think for a while about whether I'd bother to respond to that at all. The answer is no; you're the one whose development is stalled, and it'll be permanent as long as you believe the Bible is the work of some fictitious deity and not the work of men. Your position is logically and factually indefensible, but you're so deeply sunk in mediaeval superstition you can't see it, and you go to elaborate lengths to justify and rationalize it, committing multiple errors of fact and logic along the way.

 

[Cliffy]

And when you recognize such evil, what standard are you comparing it to?

Native American societies had the same standards as did many other non-christian societies. I think basic standards of social behaviour were universal and not reliant on the bible as most of them developed long before the bible was invented..

 

[Cliffy]

Dexter,

Fact and logic have no place in a closed belief system. Putting them in the same sentence like I just did would be an oxymoron.

 

[In Between Man]

I'd argue that we don't,though we'd have to be careful how we define the terms. Some things, like the Holocaust, we can claim are absolutely wrong in terms of contemporary morality, but the Old Testament records tales of mass murder and genocide and what we'd now call ethnic cleansing, some of them done directly by the deity himself, and all of them done with at least his approval and connivance. There's no hint in Scripture that any of them were in any sense a bad thing. Modern ethics would also say that slavery is absolutely wrong, but neither the Bible nor the Quran suggest any such thing, they offer nothing but acceptance of the institution of slavery. Not even Jesus himself, who had plenty of opportunities to speak out against it, is reported as disapproving of it.

The only such reference to I know of in which God himself condoned such warfare is in regards to a group of people who were sacrificing their children to fire, to please their false gods. Such things evidently really ticked God off. He didn't want such practices to spread and contaminate mankind.

As for slavery, that's a good question. On one hand, and I could be wrong here, slavery in those times may have been justified for such a primitive world economy. Plus, I'm pretty sure the good book states that in those times, one must let their slave be free after seven years. Further, doesn't the mass exodus from Egypt, with all its divine intervention show God's desire for such practices to end? He was before the times, he was!;-)

Morality is relative to the societies that define it, and things can be defined as unreservedly bad in those terms, but in truly absolute terms, it doesn't work. I've been thinking about this question since this thread, and some related ones, started, and I've been asking myself, is there something that every culture in history that we know about has defined as absolutely wrong. It may be just a function of my lack of historical knowledge--I'm an engineer, not a historian--but I couldn't come up with anything. Not even murder. Even our own supposedly ethically advanced culture recognizes self-defense as a legitimate justification for it. Is there something in the category of absolute wrong in all societies in all times and places? I haven't been able to think of anything.

Nothing! Not even murder? Notice how the taking of life must be justified? If morality really was relative, we wouldn't need the excuse/explanation of self defense for taking one's life. Notice how even cannibals need to justify murder? Why else do they preform elaborate expiatory rituals as a way of cleansing and justifying. They wouldn't do so if unless they thought there was something wrong with taking lives. Everyone knows murder is wrong. Even mass murders like Hitler had to dehumanize the Jews in order for him to justify killing them. That's not relative morality, that's making excuses for violating objective morality.

If any one of our loved ones were murdered, our REACTION would show the moral code written on our heart. You would condemn it, as an absolutely wrong act. Bin Laden, who murdered thousands of people, knows murder is wrong. Imagine if America flew planes into Saudi buildings and killed innocent people. His REACTION would be to condemn them as absolutely wrong acts.

Even though its violated constantly, we all know murder is absolutely wrong due to the unchanging moral standard.

 

[In Between Man]

And when you recognize such evil, what standard are you comparing it to?

Native American societies had the same standards as did many other non-christian societies. I think basic standards of social behaviour were universal and not reliant on the bible as most of them developed long before the bible was invented..

And where does said standard come from? How is possible that the notion that murder is wrong stay with man since as long as we know?