Do you actually care if Afghans were tortured?

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Hitler lost the war because he invaded Russia. He had become so egotistical that his demise was inevitable. He never would have made it across the Atlantic. He self destructed like all empires. Just like the American empire is self destructing.

My point was some wars are worth fighting.
 

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Hitler lost the war because he invaded Russia. He had become so egotistical that his demise was inevitable. He never would have made it across the Atlantic. He self destructed like all empires. Just like the American empire is self destructing.

A little simplistic that.........

"What if" Hitler didn't have to worry about an attack on Sicily, on Italy, or on the coast of France?
What if Hitler had been able to establish and hold absolute air superiority on the eastern front?
And had not had to worry about his industry being bombed back into the stone age? And if Germany had been dealing with a Russia sans all the war material run into Murmansk by the allies?

Perhaps he would have beaten the Russians..........
 

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"Do you actually care if Afghans were tortured?"
I don't think anyone should be tortured. But then I don't think anyone should be terrorized either. To me it's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other.
 

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We are there for the sole purpose of getting Osama and crushing the Taliban so they never again have enough power to maintains terrorist organizations and cannot be able to impose their version of Islamic law upon anyone again. When it is all over their own countries laws should be responsible for prisoners fate. Prisoners should have never been allowed to leave the country, they should have been confined by Afghanistan in Afghanistan. Those are the ideal reasons, but what do we do about Pakistan which seems to have become a terrorist refuge also?
 

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We are there for the sole purpose of getting Osama and crushing the Taliban so they never again have enough power to maintains terrorist organizations and cannot be able to impose their version of Islamic law upon anyone again. When it is all over their own countries laws should be responsible for prisoners fate. Prisoners should have never been allowed to leave the country, they should have been confined by Afghanistan in Afghanistan. Those are the ideal reasons, but what do we do about Pakistan which seems to have become a terrorist refuge also?
American war on terrorism has created terrorism. There are 10 times more terrorists now than when it all started. If the west wouldn't have interfered in the internal affairs of of other nations we wouldn't have terrorism. The source of most of the terrorism in the world is the Pentagon.
 

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We are there for the sole purpose of getting Osama and crushing the Taliban so they never again have enough power to maintains terrorist organizations and cannot be able to impose their version of Islamic law upon anyone again. When it is all over their own countries laws should be responsible for prisoners fate. Prisoners should have never been allowed to leave the country, they should have been confined by Afghanistan in Afghanistan. Those are the ideal reasons, but what do we do about Pakistan which seems to have become a terrorist refuge also?
How about letting its gov't continue to get a handle on the problem? It's either that or do the same with it as is being done with Afghanistan, IMO.
 

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American war on terrorism has created terrorism. There are 10 times more terrorists now than when it all started. If the west wouldn't have interfered in the internal affairs of of other nations we wouldn't have terrorism. The source of most of the terrorism in the world is the Pentagon.
Nuts. Why terrorism happens concerning the Middle Eastern peoples is because of religion. Capitalist dogs and those infidels not devoted to the right brand of Islam must die.
 

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American war on terrorism has created terrorism. There are 10 times more terrorists now than when it all started. If the west wouldn't have interfered in the internal affairs of of other nations we wouldn't have terrorism. The source of most of the terrorism in the world is the Pentagon.

Yes we could have ignored it and hidden away as some would have liked, fortunately for us we are not like that. We did not create Al-Qaeda or the Taliban policies. Those who let them get away with their terrorist policies for so long did.

 

ironsides

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How about letting its gov't continue to get a handle on the problem? It's either that or do the same with it as is being done with Afghanistan, IMO.

I agree with what you say to a point, but when a general Obama appointed asks for help, waiting months is not showing proper support.
 

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Why all the concern when we hand Afghans over to their own government and no concern by the lefties when terrorists make a film of dragging an American prisoner around until his head comes off? Or chop peoples hands off for exercising their democratic right to vote? I know we are marginally more civilized than they are but there is no comparison.
 

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I am sorry, but this is not a right-left issue!
1. We are signatories to the Geneva Conventions. We have an obligation to ensure the prisoners we take in a conflict are not tortured.
2. We would expect Canadian Forces taken prisoner in an armed conflict to be treated humanely.
3. We subscribe, as a nation, left and right, to the rule of law.
4. We cannot criticize others for human-rights breaches if we breach human rights ourselves.
5. We are there, purportedly, in Afghanistan to further human rights and the rule of law.
 

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Yes we could have ignored it and hidden away as some would have liked, fortunately for us we are not like that. We did not create Al-Qaeda or the Taliban policies. Those who let them get away with their terrorist policies for so long did.

Sorry but you don't seem to know anything about American foreign policy for the past 50 - 100 years. You guys have been interfering in the middle east since WWII or before. Does the Shah of Iran ring any bells? Britain has been interfering for over 100 years. "Terrorism" is a direct result of that interference. 911 was just a natural progression of a struggle against American Imperialism that has been going on for a long, long time.

American acts of terrorism have come home to roost. That you are surprised that there would be repercussions tells me that most Americans have no idea what their government has been up to. Time to wake up from your Disneyesque stupor and face reality. 911 was an act of karma. The chickens are coming home to roost.
 

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Sorry but you don't seem to know anything about American foreign policy for the past 50 - 100 years. You guys have been interfering in the middle east since WWII or before. Does the Shah of Iran ring any bells? Britain has been interfering for over 100 years. "Terrorism" is a direct result of that interference. 911 was just a natural progression of a struggle against American Imperialism that has been going on for a long, long time.

American acts of terrorism have come home to roost. That you are surprised that there would be repercussions tells me that most Americans have no idea what their government has been up to. Time to wake up from your Disneyesque stupor and face reality. 911 was an act of karma. The chickens are coming home to roost.

Absolute Baloney!

Exactly how have we been exploiting the poor Muslims in the last 40 years????

By paying inflated prices for their oil to a cartel they control??????

By helping out Muslim insurgents in Afghanistan in their war against the USSR?????

By reversing the invasion of Kuwait by secular Iraq?????

By defending Muslims in Kosovo?

The jihad against the infidel is exactly that....holy war....not a defensive war, or a war of revenge, but a war to return Islam the territory and the prestige it enjoyed 800 years ago.

BTW, that territory includes Spain........

And even if the contention that the USA deserved 9-11.....that it was, as you say, karma....even if that disgusting, vicious, sickening accusation were true.....it makes no difference.

The clash of cultures,. of religion, of world view is underway. And we have to win.

Pick a side.
 

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The clash of cultures,. of religion, of world view is underway. And we have to win.

Pick a side.

No. I will not chose between two evils. Conflict, any conflict is stupid, ignorant and just plain insane. It only reinforces victimhood and escalates war. The west has been manipulating foreign governments all over the world through threat, bribery and assassination. As long as you buy into the propaganda, you will always see the need to kill your imaginary enemy.
 

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No. I will not chose between two evils. Conflict, any conflict is stupid, ignorant and just plain insane. It only reinforces victimhood and escalates war. The west has been manipulating foreign governments all over the world through threat, bribery and assassination. As long as you buy into the propaganda, you will always see the need to kill your imaginary enemy.

Wrong.

Were that true, we would be living the world view of the Spartans....or the Persians, or fuedalism would never have ended, nor would slavery, or we would be goose-stepping to Wagner LOL, or starving on communal farms.

You are rich and free because western civilization has developed through revolution and warfare, spread through conquest and warfare, and defended itself vigorously and violently.

Gratuitous violence is the way of great civilizations........it is survival of the fittest..........let your guard down, and your civilization slips......

And yes, this one is worth defending.

Or perhaps you would prefer sharia law?????

Western civilization is the absolute apex of human development. The sane amongst us refuse to see it undermined or destroyed by religious loonies that would grag aus back to the thirteenth century.

Give your head a shake!!!!