Discussion of Ukraine War

Tecumsehsbones

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It's a shame that the natural leader of the counterforce, the United States, does not have and has not had since Obama a President with the standing to say "lead, follow, or get out of the way."

The EU's doing a pretty good job, but has natural and deliberately-designed limitations on its capabilities.
 

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It's a shame that the natural leader of the counterforce, the United States, does not have and has not had since Obama a President with the standing to say "lead, follow, or get out of the way."

The EU's doing a pretty good job, but has natural and deliberately-designed limitations on its capabilities.
Funny how no wars were started during the last administration .
 

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It's a shame that the natural leader of the counterforce, the United States, does not have and has not had since Obama a President with the standing to say "lead, follow, or get out of the way."

The EU's doing a pretty good job, but has natural and deliberately-designed limitations on its capabilities.

It was the EU and NATO who started this war.
 
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Blackleaf

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I know. Their completely unjustified invasion of the sacred soil of Mother Russia is not to be countenanced!

The only expansionist powers in Europe nowadays are the EU and NATO.

The EU has spent the last several years courting Ukraine and NATO has spent the last several years posting troops and tanks along the Russian border.

If you're going to spend a while poking a bear don't be surprised when that big bear lashes out in anger.
 

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The only expansionist powers in Europe nowadays are the EU and NATO.

The EU has spent the last several years courting Ukraine and NATO has spent the last several years posting troops and tanks along the Russian border.

If you're going to spend a while poking a bear don't be surprised when that big bear lashes out in anger.
That must be why they crushed Britain's dream of freedom.
 
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And the mean old EUers didn't start a war with you?

Maybe they decided you weren't worth it.

They were too busy starting a war in Ukraine by courting it to become a member state.

How would the Americans have felt had the Eastern Bloc wanted Mexico to become a member state and the Soviet Union started posting its troops along your Mexican border?