Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?
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So how would one explain spontaneous abortion? Animals do it when times are lean. Humans do for various reasons. What about the many plants on this planet that will enduce abortion? Did God not provide those for our use?
I think the morality issues on this are mans. Not Gods
Spontaneous abortion is not an active human doing. It is a natural balance and divinely monitored.
Much I’d say like pruning a tree.
But for mankind to actively destroy a living fetus not yet born is definitely a moral issue.
And that breach of the conscience can only result in dire consequences for a nation as a whole.
Is it evident? Well, that is a matter of opinion right?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Only if there is no heart in it. Yes, it may hurt, but look at the good that comes out of it.
So, I would say, it's a wonderful thing.
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Sorry gopher, that verse proves that God allows evil, but does not create evil.
Evil is an element of the flesh while good is an element of the spiritual. An God being spiritual, does no evil.
A marriage of the two is what we are, we posses both abilities as like gods and we have the privilege to exercise good or evil to our desires.
So evil is generated in the flesh, not in the spiritual.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
You mean Jesus struggled to put on a trade while some jackass broker on the other side is trying to rip my face off on the repo rate for hard-to-borrow shorts?
I guess, again, it depends on the definition of evil....or ones perspective. This is not an absolute..it's more of a matter of interpretation. One may look at the acts of god as positive...one may look at them as negative...or good or evil..no?
...or even understand it....that you must experience the bad to even understand the good...yes, that is a good point.
That is a correct assumption. But let me say that mankind looks at acts of God with it's limited capabilities to understand them, verses understanding given us directly from God.
Now, where I used to believe that God performed evil because of all the evil said was done by Him, was merely mankind's assumptions.
But to understand God's views, is to gain understandings on how He sees things from His perspective.
I don't make a claim to see all what He sees, but I have I believe, been given to understand how His love is applied to mankind.
I think that I can only relate to that because I am a father of six, experienced their up bringing s, and studied to understand God from His point of view and applying it to my experiences with my kids.
But as far as I can understand, God is not evil in any sense of the word, but quite the opposite.
Now, God can use the evil deeds of mankind to accomplish His goals.
For example, this verse: Amo 6:14 But, behold, I will raise up against you a nation, O house of Israel, saith the LORD the God of hosts; and they shall afflict you from the entering in of Hemath unto the river of the wilderness.
Now God in this instance is not doing the evil, but the nation whom He brings does. So naturally, mankind looks at that as God being the evil one.
My children when I corrected them severely, considered me evil, and at the time could not see me as a loving father.
I would not dare be on the side to think that God would be evil, for I would be of the attitude like
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, were they said: that regardless if God would require their deaths, they would still honor Him.
Dan 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
Dan 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Utilimate devotion and love for God has nothing to do with the flesh, for it all stems from the heart.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Understanding love can only be understood under trial.
The greatest hero's gave their lives for love of country, friends and or just play love for life in the battle.
This verse says it all: Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Jesus said this: Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
And so Jesus died for His friends, of which we all are (His friends) as verse 15:13 indicates.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
How good is good? compared to what, good? No telling unless we introduce some bad stuff. Then, we will learn how to do good, and good measured.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
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Your statement says in effect that if man had not sinned in God's earthly paradise(Garden of Eden) as God desired, even so, it would not be possible for man to evaluate or see the effects of good he produces unless evil existed to establish a perspective for comparison.
Of course this is wrong. It should be remembered that evil is an unwelcome intruder in God's plan for all humanity. Nowhere can it be found on God's drawing table that was drawn up before time. There was no plan for a dichotomy of Yin-Yang counterpart of good. The Universal plan can be fullfilled to completion without the assistance of evil. However, God cannot refuse evil to exist without removing the free will of His beings.
New Advent says this about evil....
".........described as the sum of the opposition, which experience shows to exist in the universe, to the desires and needs of individuals; whence arises, among humans beings at least, the sufferings in which life abounds. Thus evil, from the point of view of human welfare, is what ought not to exist."
AndyF
No, we have little in common as far as the faith goes. What bothers me about him, in truth, si the damage his sort does to the Gospel with his heretical nonsense. I honestly wish he'd avoid Christian posts I submit. His long, rambling bits of heresy are irksome, to say the least.
...much like some folks with schizophrenia have.Actually, Jesus identified Himself as the son of God
I don't understand the damage you speak of? Like I have said before, I can't think of anyone more devoted to god in these forums. I think he makes very interesting points. His interpretations may be different from yours...but, well....I just don't get what you have against him? What is he saying that is so wrong?