Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?

[snfu73]

He said God was his Father. Not particularly exceptional.

CHRISTIANS say he's the son of God.

So, it may be a matter of interpretation of the words he said? That he said god was his father, though it could be argued by everyone that god is their father...while interpreters (such as christians) have interpreted it to mean that god WAS literally his dad?

Hmmmm...interesting. Never thought of that.

 

[gopher]

The struggle that Jesus had was intended, premeditated and without stops, so that the full requirement of Gophers law was met in full as payment for the creation of the flesh.

But again, this lacks all logic.

On the one hand, God "sacrifices" Jesus because of mankind's evil. On the other hand, it was God who created that evil in the first place. Therefore, there was no sacrifice to begin with as it is God who is playing games with everybody!

There simply is no logic for any of this. None whatsoever.

 

[look3467]

He says he was the son of god...nowdays, if you say you are the son of god...what happens to you?

To identify with Jesus as a believer, one is spiritual transformed in heart becoming a "son" of God.

If the identification with Jesus means living up to a standard not acceptable to the world, then one is liable to persecution. Just as Jesus suffered ridicule, as His disciple too, then His followers are liable too.

That is why He said, love your enemies! As He demostrated.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[snfu73]

To identify with Jesus as a believer, one is spiritual transformed in heart becoming a "son" of God.

If the identification with Jesus means living up to a standard not acceptable to the world, then one is liable to persecution. Just as Jesus suffered ridicule, as His disciple too, then His followers are liable too.

That is why He said, love your enemies! As He demostrated.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Now...if people like Mr. Falwell had just taken Jesus' advice... He demonstrated anything BUT.

Regardless, I have to say I don't really understand your post. I think it is fair to say that any group or individual is subject to a certain amount of ridicule by another group or individual at one time or another...no?

 

[look3467]

The struggle that Jesus had was intended, premeditated and without stops, so that the full requirement of Gophers law was met in full as payment for the creation of the flesh.

But again, this lacks all logic.

On the one hand, God "sacrifices" Jesus because of mankind's evil. On the other hand, it was God who created that evil in the first place. Therefore, there was no sacrifice to begin with as it is God who is playing games with everybody!

There simply is no logic for any of this. None whatsoever.

The resultant desire of God, is that mankind learn obedience through suffering as a son of God.
If you had sons and wanted them to learn to live right and be able to take care of themselves properly, wouldn’t it be your responsibility to teach them by presenting certain life tests coupled with instructions as part of their training?

Wouldn’t suffering through it be par for the course? I mean, no pain, no gain.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[BitWhys]

So, it may be a matter of interpretation of the words he said? That he said god was his father, though it could be argued by everyone that god is their father...while interpreters (such as christians) have interpreted it to mean that god WAS literally his dad?

Hmmmm...interesting. Never thought of that.

If you really want to know what early Christians thought it might be a good idea to get your nose out of the bible once in a while and try to think like someone who actually believed. Most of them couldn't read.

heh. bit of a catch, ain't it?

tell me this. Why would you use what the Bible says Jesus said against him like its blindingly accurate but ignore everything he said AFTER he rose from the dead since he couldn't possibly have said it at all?

 

[look3467]

Now...if people like Mr. Falwell had just taken Jesus' advice... He demonstrated anything BUT.

Regardless, I have to say I don't really understand your post. I think it is fair to say that any group or individual is subject to a certain amount of ridicule by another group or individual at one time or another...no?

Well, as for the Falwell, God judges each man's works and is compensated in correction with kindness , much as like a loving Father would correct his own child.

And as for the ridicule, your right there to because unless there is something greater working in our hearts to prevent ridicule, ridicule then is the norm for everybody.

The point is not to be like the world is, but as aliens of a spiritual more loving world.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[snfu73]

If you really want to know what early Christians thought it might be a good idea to get your nose out of the bible once in a while and try to think like someone who actually believed. Most of them couldn't read.

heh. bit of a catch, ain't it?

tell me this. Why would you use what the Bible says Jesus said against him like its blindingly accurate but ignore everything he said AFTER he rose from the dead since he couldn't possibly have said it at all?

I do.

Huh?

What I am saying is based on the idea that Jesus existed at all...and I am saying if he did, he was a human...possibly scizophrenic...and that, to me, is a theory that explain...well...the myth of jesus. Whether he actually existed? Who knows? Was he the son of god? Maybe...beats me. Was he human? I suspect that if he existed, then yes, he was...whether he was more than that...well, I am skeptical, but I do not know for sure.

 

[snfu73]

Well, as for the Falwell, God judges each man's works and is compensated in correction with kindness , much as like a loving Father would correct his own child.

And as for the ridicule, your right there to because unless there is something greater working in our hearts to prevent ridicule, ridicule then is the norm for everybody.

The point is not to be like the world is, but as aliens of a spiritual more loving world.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

So, it goes full circle and ends up to the question I had before...where did Falwell's spiritual self go? Heaven...or hell?

 

[look3467]

So, it goes full circle and ends up to the question I had before...where did Falwell's spiritual self go? Heaven...or hell?

A very simple answer, given my understanding, heaven! As where I expect to see you all! No left behind souls. All there an accounted for Sir! :salute:

Of course, whose going to believe what I say anyways.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[BitWhys]

I do.

Huh?

didn't you just say he said he was the son of God?

 

[BitWhys]

So, it goes full circle and ends up to the question I had before...where did Falwell's spiritual self go? Heaven...or hell?

If I don't have to share a locker with him I couldn't care less.

 

[snfu73]

didn't you just say he said he was the son of God?

I thought he said that...but...you told me he didn't...and I responded because I thought you brought up a good point...something I had never thought of before...the interpretation of "son of god" which I think was a good point.

 

[gopher]

If you had sons and wanted them to learn to live right and be able to take care of themselves properly, wouldn’t it be your responsibility to teach them by presenting certain life tests coupled with instructions as part of their training?

Sure - I would just remove the obstacles that are in their path. A loving father does not sacrifice his children for his own selfish good. Rather, a father sacrifices himself for his children.

How the hell do 45 million abortion victims benefit from such a ridiculous system as was put in place by this so-called beneficent God? Same for others who died without being given a chance?

By your "logic" each is now a better person for what thy went through. Are you telling me, then, that you are applauding abortion??

It simply makes no sense to defend such an unjust and inhuman system. Pain and sorrow does NOTHING to improve your lot in life. Nothing.

 

[look3467]

By your "logic" each is now a better person for what thy went through. Are you telling me, then, that you are applauding abortion??>>>gopher

How painful is an abortion to a mother who had remorse years later? A real sad situation to be in, but yet, perhaps something was learned by her mistake.

It simply makes no sense to defend such an unjust and inhuman system. Pain and sorrow does NOTHING to improve your lot in life. Nothing!>>>gopher

You said it correctly quote: “such an unjust and inhuman system”. Inhuman, is stating we allowed the inhumanity ourselves.

Why suppose there is opposition to abortions?

Sure - I would just remove the obstacles that are in their path. A loving father does not sacrifice his children for his own selfish good. Rather, a father sacrifices himself for his children. >>>gopher

Point exactly! Jesus is sacrificing Himself for His children, if He claims to be the Son of God.

This world is set in concrete to give as hell. Don’t eat, don’t’t drink, or lay out in the sun for hours, or swim out into the ocean and don’t turn back and see if this wonderful earth will save you?

Not on your life it won’t. For it seeks your death.

That is the condition that exists for mankind of which there is no escape. Death of the body is inevitable so there is nothing that can be done about it.

But there is your soul that can sour to the heavens for all eternity of which the beginnings of it could start now, today.

How the hell do 45 million abortion victims benefit from such a ridiculous system as was put in place by this so-called beneficent God? Same for others who died without being given a chance?>>>gopher

Abortions are not God’s idea, but man’s.

Those not given a chance to live out the flesh have never eaten of the fruits of knowledge of good and evil, therefore after Christ’s resurrection, are in heaven with Him.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Abortions are not God’s idea, but man’s.

You think? Check this out, and especially note this from that site: "It is estimated that up to 50% of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among known pregnancies, the rate of miscarriage is approximately 10% and usually occurs between the 7th and 12th weeks of pregnancy." If God's actually running things, he's the busiest abortionist on the planet.

 

[BitWhys]

I thought he said that...but...you told me he didn't...and I responded because I thought you brought up a good point...something I had never thought of before...the interpretation of "son of god" which I think was a good point.

I'm sorry. It may seem random but it isn't really. Treating his words different ways from different parts of the same book just doesn't make any sense so if what Jesus had to say about himself is the criteria what he had to say about himself AFTER he rose from the dead is relevant too.

I'll tell you this much. If it was ME who rose from the dead I'd be a hell of a lot more snotty about it than He was.

 

[BitWhys]

Lol...oh man, I am pissing people off lately. I got a comment on my reps that says "blasphemy". Oh well...that's me it seems.

woohoo! me too!

Over the 10 spot remark, no less. Hope the Padre took the hit... what with the time off in purgatory its gotta be worth and all.:lol:

 

[gopher]

Abortions are not God’s idea, but man’s.

AJ, are you paying attention?

I just proved to you that God, not man, creates all evil!

 

[BitWhys]

O happy fall