Deny Climate Change@Your own Risk.

[Serryah]

So what do you call landlocking Alberta oil?

Considering the questionable nature of Alberta's oil... probably smart. That said, since oil is a part of our life regardless, I'd rather see it produced and refined in Canada. So... that it's not is the fault of Canada and Alberta for not setting up what's needed to refine it here. There's no need to be shipping it off to be dealt with elsewhere.

or Banning logging in BC?

Smart; we can't afford to lose more forests. Besides, we don't need wood pulp anymore for things, there are other substitutes out there now that can replace it easily - Hemp being the main plant that comes to mind.

Sending manufacturing jobs overseas because they do not have as restrictive environmental or labour laws as we do? That is destroying the economy.

That's also called Capitalism and it's the preferred method of money making by most people, especially Conservative types. Personally, I'd stop the shipping of jobs overseas for those reasons (and others, like cheaper labor) and any goods that are sold in Canada, need to be 80-100% created, manufactured, made or put together in Canada.


But don't blame climate for the lack of jobs, blame Capitalism.

 

[Danbones]

Can't take you seriously when you use Conservative leaning 'proofs' of your claim. Give me something impartial.

If you going to be a totally ignorant asshole and can't do quotes (nor facts)...

GFY.

Stay stupid.

 

[Serryah]

If you going to be a totally ignorant asshole and can't do quotes (nor facts)...

GFY.

Stay stupid.

Can't do quotes? Don't know where that came from...


As for facts, I don't see you posting any either, just right leaning talking points.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Legal trophy hunters only take a small fraction of animals that sustenance hunters take, illegal poacher's hunting for the black market is a major problem. It's only the perception that hunter's take pride of their mature harvest that turn people off but in reality the success rate is only about 1 in 10 trophy hunter vs animal kill. What is the success rate of sustenance hunters 1 to 1?

You shoot lions, elephants and tigers for sustenance?

No, you don't.

 

[pgs]

It's not just 'climate change' that is my issue. It's taking care of the world in general.


In the end, I agree, get rid of a few billion people and things would be better.

So why do we need a carbon tax ? Trump might start a war , that should cull a few humans .

 

[Twin_Moose]

You shoot lions, elephants and tigers for sustenance?
No, you don't.

Are they taken legally or poached? with or without sustenance, if taken legally then they are apart of wildlife management

 

[Twin_Moose]

Considering the questionable nature of Alberta's oil... probably smart. That said, since oil is a part of our life regardless, I'd rather see it produced and refined in Canada. So... that it's not is the fault of Canada and Alberta for not setting up what's needed to refine it here. There's no need to be shipping it off to be dealt with elsewhere.

It is produced and refined in Canada from BC to Montreal only Ont. Que. and the East coast import Oil to be refined, and that is in a percentage, selling off the excess. NAFTA agreement does not allow refined product from crossing borders except for specialty refined products, and a special agreement between BC and Wash. state.

We went through this before

 

[Curious Cdn]

Are they taken legally or poached? with or without sustenance, if taken legally then they are apart of wildlife management

Either that, or they are part of the organizational corruption in Zimbabwe where you can get a permit to hunt human beings if you grease the right palms.

 

[Twin_Moose]

It's not just 'climate change' that is my issue. It's taking care of the world in general.
In the end, I agree, get rid of a few billion people and things would be better.

I still advocate for the protestors to lead the way and the rest of us will follow, honestly we will. Like a gold digger promising his/her sugar daddy/momma that he/she will be buried with his money by writing him/her a cheque and throwing it in his/her coffin.

 

[Hoid]

Considering the questionable nature of Alberta's oil... probably smart. That said, since oil is a part of our life regardless, I'd rather see it produced and refined in Canada. So... that it's not is the fault of Canada and Alberta for not setting up what's needed to refine it here. There's no need to be shipping it off to be dealt with elsewhere.

Canada has a long history of exporting raw materials rather than value-added derivatives.

It's because our economy and resources are controlled by foreign ownership which has no stake in developing the Canadian economy.


https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/b8f...oil-production-and-where-it-goes-formated.pdf

In 2014, approximately 15% of Alberta’s total oil
production (i.e., both crude oil and oil sands-derived
oil) was used by refineries within the province. During
the same year, 11% of Alberta’s oil was delivered to
refineries in other parts of Canada, and 74% was
exported to U.S. markets. Only 0.1% was exported to
other countries.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Major automakers secretly negotiated a climate deal with California, rebuffing Trump administration on proposed gas mileage freeze

The compromise to produce vehicle fleets averaging nearly 51 mpg by model year 2026 came after weeks of secret negotiations between the California Air Resources Board and Ford Motor Co., Honda, Volkswagen AG and BMW.
The agreement comes as the Trump administration is on the cusp of finalizing a massive regulatory rollback that would freeze federal mileage requirements for cars and light trucks at about 37 miles per gallon on average.

source: WAPO

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Major automakers secretly negotiated a climate deal with California, rebuffing Trump administration on proposed gas mileage freeze
The compromise to produce vehicle fleets averaging nearly 51 mpg by model year 2026 came after weeks of secret negotiations between the California Air Resources Board and Ford Motor Co., Honda, Volkswagen AG and BMW.
The agreement comes as the Trump administration is on the cusp of finalizing a massive regulatory rollback that would freeze federal mileage requirements for cars and light trucks at about 37 miles per gallon on average.
source: WAPO

 

[Walter]

Major automakers secretly negotiated a climate deal with California, rebuffing Trump administration on proposed gas mileage freeze
The compromise to produce vehicle fleets averaging nearly 51 mpg by model year 2026 came after weeks of secret negotiations between the California Air Resources Board and Ford Motor Co., Honda, Volkswagen AG and BMW.
The agreement comes as the Trump administration is on the cusp of finalizing a massive regulatory rollback that would freeze federal mileage requirements for cars and light trucks at about 37 miles per gallon on average.
source: WAPO

Good for them.

 

[EagleSmack]

Major automakers secretly negotiated a climate deal with California, rebuffing Trump administration on proposed gas mileage freeze
The compromise to produce vehicle fleets averaging nearly 51 mpg by model year 2026 came after weeks of secret negotiations between the California Air Resources Board and Ford Motor Co., Honda, Volkswagen AG and BMW.
The agreement comes as the Trump administration is on the cusp of finalizing a massive regulatory rollback that would freeze federal mileage requirements for cars and light trucks at about 37 miles per gallon on average.
source: WAPO

IS that to make up for being the third biggest (state) producer of fossil fuels? Lipstick on a pig.

 

[Walter]

Major automakers secretly negotiated a climate deal with California, rebuffing Trump administration on proposed gas mileage freeze
The compromise to produce vehicle fleets averaging nearly 51 mpg by model year 2026 came after weeks of secret negotiations between the California Air Resources Board and Ford Motor Co., Honda, Volkswagen AG and BMW.
The agreement comes as the Trump administration is on the cusp of finalizing a massive regulatory rollback that would freeze federal mileage requirements for cars and light trucks at about 37 miles per gallon on average.
source: WAPO

It’s not secret if it’s in the paper.

 

[Curious Cdn]

IS that to make up for being the third biggest (state) producer of fossil fuels? Lipstick on a pig.

I thought that was Russia, you were talking about, Tovarishch.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Extreme climate change has arrived in America. Here are the fastest-warming places.
A Post analysis of data from across the Lower 48 states found that major areas are nearing or have already crossed the threshold of 2 degrees Celsius, a crucial marker in international climate change policy. How has your county changed? Our interactive tool

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...mate-change-america/?wpisrc=nl_evening&wpmm=1

 

[Walter]

Extreme climate change has arrived in America. Here are the fastest-warming places.
A Post analysis of data from across the Lower 48 states found that major areas are nearing or have already crossed the threshold of 2 degrees Celsius, a crucial marker in international climate change policy. How has your county changed? Our interactive tool
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...mate-change-america/?wpisrc=nl_evening&wpmm=1

Such crap.

 

[Jinentonix]

Considering the questionable nature of Alberta's oil... probably smart. That said, since oil is a part of our life regardless, I'd rather see it produced and refined in Canada. So... that it's not is the fault of Canada and Alberta for not setting up what's needed to refine it here. There's no need to be shipping it off to be dealt with elsewhere.

We have the refining capacity in Canada. The problem is our Eastern refineries are refining Mid-East crude because a bunch of assholes in Quebec don't want a pipeline. It's not that they object to oil, the problem is SNC Lavalin. SNCL holds a 20% stake in Quebec's pension fund. SNCL also does a lot of business in and with Saudi Arabia. Kill the oil imports from SA and you run the risk of it affecting SNCL's profits and thus the value of the Quebec pension fund.
In other words, as long as this country keeps being stupid enough to elect a Quebecer for PM, the ROC will be held hostage to the Quebec pension fund.

 

[Curious Cdn]

We have the refining capacity in Canada. The problem is our Eastern refineries are refining Mid-East crude because a bunch of assholes in Quebec don't want a pipeline. It's not that they object to oil, the problem is SNC Lavalin. SNCL holds a 20% stake in Quebec's pension fund. SNCL also does a lot of business in and with Saudi Arabia. Kill the oil imports from SA and you run the risk of it affecting SNCL's profits and thus the value of the Quebec pension fund.
In other words, as long as this country keeps being stupid enough to elect a Quebecer for PM, the ROC will be held hostage to the Quebec pension fund.

The refining of Middle East crude in Eastern Canada goes back many, many decades before there was any prospect of a pipeline from the West. It is simply cheaper to float oil up the St. Lawrence or onto New Brunswick than to pump it over the "hump" of the continent.

This situation is well over a half century old and it is disingenuous to move it into your perpetual and increasingly boring "I'm-a-Western-Victim!" routine. You guys lie like rugs.