Death to Canada

EagleSmack

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The articles I have read on the internet all name NATO combined forces -

A minor issue yes?

I think this thread is getting some distance quickly beacuse Canadians heard

"Death to Canada!"

I am sure their reaction was

"What! Death to who! Do they have the right country!? Shouldn't they be saying Death to America?"

Again, we Americans are numb to that chant. We have been seeing it on TV ever since the Iranian Hostage crisis.

This is new... Canada has been named.
 

DurkaDurka

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yeah, them villagers are going to be sending a calvary of Jihad camels are way pretty soon... end of times!
 

EagleSmack

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yeah, them villagers are going to be sending a calvary of Jihad camels are way pretty soon... end of times!

LMAO. Monty Python... RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

Hey its scaring some people. I wouldn't be but some are typing in big font saying "LETS GET OUT NOW!"
 

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LMAO. Monty Python... RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

Hey its scaring some people. I wouldn't be but some are typing in big font saying "LETS GET OUT NOW!"

Let's?

It should be "get them out now".

You are not there, intersting how cons, safe in their own wittle beds, think they are brave for wanting someone else in harms way.:roll:
 

EagleSmack

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Let's?

It should be "get them out now".

You are not there, intersting how cons, safe in their own wittle beds, think they are brave for wanting someone else in harms way.:roll:

I am not there because I am in my 40's. But when I was 18 I did do my time in the Marines and have a Combat Action Ribbon to prove it. So while you were in your "whittle" bed getting burped by your mommy I was in the Corps.

Interesting how libs want to push all of the opposition over seas to silence them. Why don't you quit your job and leave your family to protest full time? :roll:
 

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Yes...its interesting why many of European nations don't want to get involved in foreign occupation..
....so evident...like this one
 

lone wolf

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I think this thread is getting some distance quickly beacuse Canadians heard

"Death to Canada!"

I am sure their reaction was

"What! Death to who! Do they have the right country!? Shouldn't they be saying Death to America?"

Again, we Americans are numb to that chant. We have been seeing it on TV ever since the Iranian Hostage crisis.

This is new... Canada has been named.

And there's another one heard from....

If you'd fired off your weapon as much as you do your mouth, they'd be all running scared.

Semper fi...

Wolf
 
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It's been a long time since I have seen such a shameful thing said....


September 27 2007 @ 09:26 AM MDT
Afghanistan: “A mark of shame”


Canada’s Minister of Defence Peter MacKay (previously Minister of Foreign Affairs) was recently dispatched by US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates to conscript stubborn NATO members into sending more combat troops for the war in Afghanistan.

From the outset the majority of NATO members have been less than willing to put their troops in combat roles and the all too obvious reason-dare we mention-is the rape and pillage of Iraq. When NATO countries look at what has happened to that country they must realize it would be utterly fool hardy(and immoral) to get involved in Afghanistan in any serious way when the mistakes of Iraq are being repeated in Afghanistan. The mission is seriously undermanned, there is a wanton disregard for civilian casualties and air power is being used indiscriminately. We can only wonder if Afghanistan is being hosed down with depleted uranium munitions as was Iraq.

If the stated goal is to bring democracy to these countries it is time to get out our dictionaries as Iraq is a country ravaged and it is going to take decades for it to recover, if ever. The reality is that Iraqi’s have become the new Palestinians with over two million refugees pressing themselves into neighbouring countries and the UN expects the number could go as high as seven million. Their country has been taken from them. Though the US has always claimed they would leave once the country stabilized it is now emerging-as we always suspected- there will only be a nominal draw down of troops. The US has already built permanent bases in the country. Baghdad’s Green Zone becomes a Mid-East outpost of the Pentagon. Where Israel has often been a convenient surrogate for America’s interests in the region head office will now be taking direct control with Iraq as its operating base. Iraq’s “democracy” will be artfully circumscribed by a formidable US military presence.

US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates recently stated :

“It will be a mark of shame on all of us if an alliance built on the foundation of democratic values were to falter at the very moment that it tries to lay that foundation for democracy elsewhere-especially in a mission that is crucial to our own security.”

It would be wonderful if we could take secretary Gates at his word but there is the persistent reality the US has ulterior motives. Gates’ statement becomes duplicitous when we consider the US interest in both these countries and the primary reasons for both these wars is strategic. The US is drawing an offensive perimeter around both Russia and China. Both Iraq and Afghanistan provide strategic operating bases for the US military to dominate Asia.

When Gates refers to “all of us” he is referring to the NATO member countries. He conveniently ignores that NATO was conceived as a Cold War defence alliance to thwart any Soviet attack on Europe. In the past few years it has become an instrument of US foreign policy and America’s neo-imperialist ambitions. Much of the hesitation for getting more involved in the Aghanistan conflict is that member nations might just feel NATO’s original purpose is being corrupted.

The word “democracy” as used in Washington these days is doublespeak for establishing corrupt and whipped puppet regimes- the new Iraq being a stunning example.

The US quickly squandered any sympathy the global community had for it after 9/11 in its unrelenting desire for vengeance and its refusal to accept any responsibility for its own aggressions. Its moral authority has been squandered as it bloodies Iraq, a country already devastated by the Gulf War continuous bombing and a decade of brutal UN sanctions. Now the likes of Gates has the audacity to speak of building on democratic foundations as he wants to accelerate the Afghanistan war, and as his country contemplates a nuclear attack on Iran.

Gates refers to the conflict in Afghanistan as being “crucial to our own security.” Here again I have to quibble with Mr. Gates.
I challenge the notion that defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan is crucial to our own security. Gates is no doubt referring to the odious notion frequently repeated by any number of Western leaders that we must beat terrorists on their shores before they bring the battle to our home shores. Canada’s prime minister Harper was so kind as to remind us of this on this recent trip to Australia.

The problem with this notion is that we have a long history of slaughtering Muslims and we seem to think we can do so with impunity. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair refuses to make any connection between bombings in London and atrocities committed in Iraq by the “coalition of the willing”( more accurately “the coalition of the all too willing”) in which Britain has been a leading participant. Mr. Blair, in his religious fervor, might want to read the Old Testament which talks about such things as an eye for an eye; you bloody me and I’ll bloody you, etc, etc.

What the likes of Blair, Gates et al forget is that as we profess our zeal to win the war on terror we are, in our over-reactive ham-fisted approach fomenting it, making it worse. It never seems to occur to the wizards of the West that in the long term we might be better to settle the contested issues on more amicable terms, but then there is a monstrous military industrial complex to be maintained and arms sales quotas to be met. Any limits imposed here would require a marked return to sanity and the end of a grand binge of obscene war profiteering.

Gates invokes the word “security” which along with “defence” becomes more doublespeak for what is really being practiced -offence. When the wizards speak of “Missile Defence” the reality is Missile Offence. While the US professes an irrational concern for its own national security it is developing a whole new generation of weapons that are obviously meant for more than defence. As it does so it is making Russia and China increasingly nervous and even now we are at the beginning of a new arms race.

Gates also invokes the “mark of shame” and there is a pandemic of shame for which we have yet to find an antidote. He refers to it as a potential condition where as it is a chronic existing condition to which we remain largely indifferent. More truthfully he might have stated: “In view of our continuous state of shameless behavior….”


It is shameful that the likes of Defence Minister MacKay uses his Washington visit to take cheap shots at the Liberal opposition regarding Afghanistan when his party is in government and must assume full responsibility for present policies.

It is also shameful MacKay as foreign minister did not undertake to look at more creative and peaceful alternatives to settling the Afghan conflict. Former Liberal prime minister Lester Pearson as minister of foreign affairs inserted himself into the Suez crisis of 1956 and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. The Nobel committee though does not give prizes to errand boys.

It is also a shame the Canadian military’s Chief of Staff Rick Hillier cannot be reigned in. If he had differences of opinion and showed a wanton disregard for the chain of command with previous defence minister Gordon O’Connor, he will have MacKay for lunch. Hillier is Canada’s uniformed and equally treacherous equivalent to Donald Rumsfeld.

It is shameful Afghan President Hamid Karzai is captive to his allies. While he pleads for fewer civilian casualties, a less aggressive military approach and a negotiated settlement his allies are hell-bent on escalating the conflict. This comes amidst reports the US is in secret negotiations with the Taliban, that B-52s are once again bombing the hell out of Tora Bora and that American Special Forces are conducting their own little war from which the media has been barred.

Neither the Taliban or Karzai have any good reason to trust the Americans given what has happened in Iraq. Karzai might want to compare notes with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani on the emergent state of democracy in his country; how 9 billion dollars of seized Iraqi money marked for Iraqi redevelopment has disappeared into the pockets of American contractors(see the October issue Vanity Fair magazine, Billions over Baghdad) and how his country can’t seem to rid itself of thousands of trigger happy Blackwater Inc. mercenaries.

The shame is only compounded if European NATO countries allow themselves to be coerced into sending more combat troops into the hopelessly mismanaged war in Afghanistan at the very time a negotiated settlement is emerging as by far the best alternative. Nor should NATO allow itself to be duped into contributing to the escalating momentum toward a renewed arms race and Cold War II. Afghanistan is but another chapter in this ominous escalation.

If secretary Gates wants to speak of the “mark of shame” it is a past and present condition, indelibly so. What the future holds we don’t know but if the wizards of the West hold to their present course of transparent deceits and grandiose conceits outcomes become deplorably predictable.

Robert Billyard ©
 

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I am not there because I am in my 40's. But when I was 18 I did do my time in the Marines and have a Combat Action Ribbon to prove it. So while you were in your "whittle" bed getting burped by your mommy I was in the Corps.

Interesting how libs want to push all of the opposition over seas to silence them. Why don't you quit your job and leave your family to protest full time? :roll:

EagleSmack

Regardless of the patience and work of a few members on other topics yesterday... if you believe anything has been changed or accomplished positively regarding the division between the two nations - just pop into the topic:

Genocide .......and refresh your thoughts.

Nothing will change - it has been a long time in being constructed.

And while on the topic of your service - thank you from me and my family.
 

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I am not there because I am in my 40's. But when I was 18 I did do my time in the Marines and have a Combat Action Ribbon to prove it. So while you were in your "whittle" bed getting burped by your mommy I was in the Corps.

Interesting how libs want to push all of the opposition over seas to silence them. Why don't you quit your job and leave your family to protest full time? :roll:

Was I protesting?

Many men have served in there forties if not in combat in a support roll, but certainly not in their arm chair pretending somehow they are indeed in the heat of battle.

Wow....a ribbon....neat-oh....didn't Bush get something like that for seeing an real gun go off once?:lol:

You are a brave fellow indeed.
 

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Without naming any names, there has certainly been a lot of mudslinging going on here the past couple of days. Does it really matter if any of us(as in CanCon members) are over there or not? What matters is that there are men and women(both American and Canadian) over there(in both Afghanistan and Iraq), placing their lives in danger for what they believe in.
 
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Without naming any names, there has certainly been a lot of mudslinging going on here the past couple of days. Does it really matter if any of us(as in CanCon members) are over there or not? What matters is that there are men and women(both American and Canadian) over there(in both Afghanistan and Iraq), placing their lives in danger for what they believe in.



What they believe in is wrong, period, would you like any foreign nations, putting their stupid troops on our land based on stupidity like , freedom ?


I don't think so, that is what makes laugh the most about the anglo-saxon, it is always for the best when it is your business, and it is always the opposite when you are not involved, pretty pathetic.
 

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Without naming any names, there has certainly been a lot of mudslinging going on here the past couple of days. Does it really matter if any of us(as in CanCon members) are over there or not? What matters is that there are men and women(both American and Canadian) over there(in both Afghanistan and Iraq), placing their lives in danger for what they believe in.
They are in Iraq placing their lives in danger based on a lie.
 

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What matters is that there are men and women(both American and Canadian) over there(in both Afghanistan and Iraq), placing their lives in danger for what they believe in.

I would prefer them at home with their families.... not getting shot at over oil or a pipeline or whatever the real reason is for being there.

However..... if a country is to start a war then at least send in enough troops to do the damn job!! In Afghanistan Canada has a couple thousand troops.... whoopee.... they die over there without even having a chance to accomplish their mission. Pathetic spineless politicians kissing American ass.... It's worth a few dead Canadians to appease the Americans.

NATO needs to drastically increase the troop levels if it intends to secure the country.

All our country's resources should be poured into fighting the war.... everyone able to go there should be given a rifle and put on a plane. Every factory should be building guns and bombs and grenades and Hum-V's.... Is this a WAR or isn't it? A pathetic little yellow ribbon means ****... Get with the program Canada... THIS IS WAR!
 

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I would prefer them at home with their families.... not getting shot at over oil or a pipeline or whatever the real reason is for being there.

However..... if a country is to start a war then at least send in enough troops to do the damn job!! In Afghanistan Canada has a couple thousand troops.... whoopee.... they die over there without even having a chance to accomplish their mission. Pathetic spineless politicians kissing American ass.... It's worth a few dead Canadians to appease the Americans.

NATO needs to drastically increase the troop levels if it intends to secure the country.

All our country's resources should be poured into fighting the war.... everyone able to go there should be given a rifle and put on a plane. Every factory should be building guns and bombs and grenades and Hum-V's.... Is this a WAR or isn't it? A pathetic little yellow ribbon means ****... Get with the program Canada... THIS IS WAR!

Why does NATO have to do anything? If you have a map handy, you'll easily see that Afghanistan is a long bloody way from the North Atlantic. Canada's mission over there was as a peace keeper in a land where peace does not want to be kept. Boots no sooner got on the ground - under the wrong-coloured uniforms no less - and the mission changed to that of being yes buddies to the gang who wants control. When you have other colours on your side, you don't have to take the heat alone. There is no bogeyman. We made someone else look good. CANFOR does it well....

Wolf
 

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Was I protesting?

Many men have served in there forties if not in combat in a support roll, but certainly not in their arm chair pretending somehow they are indeed in the heat of battle.

Wow....a ribbon....neat-oh....didn't Bush get something like that for seeing an real gun go off once?:lol:

You are a brave fellow indeed.

No but you think by using the old liberal bait tactic of...

"Why don't you go over and fight."

In essence you are saying to me, at 40 years of age to drop everything and go there after being out of the business of war fighting for 20 years to do just that. If not I should keep quiet. I am saying to you... you should quit your job and protest full time against the war if you intend for everyone who opposes you to drop what they are doing to fight. You are sitting back in your comfy chair as well. When I was younger I did just that... I left home for four years and fought, albeit it was brief. Many men and women in their 40's are over there but they have also been in the reserves or active duty since they were in their 20's. I do not think there are many 40 year old Corporals leading a squad or a fireteam. I don't think any young 20 something Lance Corporal would feel safe taking orders from someone who last picked up a rifle when the said named LCPL was still in diapers.