Death knell for AGW

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Low Earth Orbit
Is winter's darkness going way in a year or two?

Holy sh-t, this image shows it is already gone. Gone diddley on.


 

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CatoTheYounger ‏@catoletters Cause of Climate Change? Ask Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study Physicist Freeman Dyson


quotes from Freeman Dyson:

  • In the history of science it has often happened that the majority was wrong and refused to listen to a minority that later turned out to be right. [article by, 2008]
  • Climate change is part of the normal order of things, and we know it was happening before humans came. [interview with, 2007]
  • Just because you see pictures of glaciers falling into the ocean doesn't mean anything bad is happening. This is something that happens all the time. It's part of the natural cycle of things. [interview with, 2007]
  • It makes very little sense to believe the output of the climate models. [YouTube interview Part1]
  • Vegetation is really controlling what happens...whereas the emphasis in the climate models has always been on the atmosphere. [YouTube interview Part1]
  • There is no doubt that parts of the world are getting warmer, but the warming is not global. [essay by, 2007]
  • The idea that global warming is the most important problem facing the world is total nonsense and is doing a lot of harm. It distracts people's attention from much more serious problems. [interview with, 2007]
  • The average ground temperature of the Earth is impossible to measure since most of the Earth is ocean...So this average ground temperature is a fiction. [YouTube interview Part2]
  • When I listen to the public debates about climate change, I am impressed by the enormous gaps in our knowledge, the sparseness of our observations and the superficiality of our theories. [essay by, 2007]
  • We simply don't know yet what's going to happen to the carbon in the atmosphere. [YouTube interview Part1]
  • Computer models of the climate....[are] a very dubious business if you don't have good inputs. [YouTube interview Part1]
  • We do not know how much of the environmental change is due to human activities and how much [is due] to long-term natural processes over which we have no control. [essay by, 2007]
  • It is not surprising that honest and well-informed experts can disagree about facts. But beyond the disagreement about facts, there is another deeper disagreement about values. [essay by, 2007]

Freeman Dyson and global warming
 

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quotes from Freeman Dyson:

hey Locutus... you forgot a quote from the 91 year-old geezer emeritus... long since retired. You forgot to include this quote:
I don’t claim to be an expert. I never did. I simply find that a lot of these claims that experts are making are absurd. Not that I know better, but I know a few things. My objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it’s rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have. I think that’s what upsets me.
keep your C&P "gems" coming, Locutus!!! :mrgreen:
 

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nice piece via sda:


Because as a scientist, I can do the math. How do you explain the 18 years of zero temperature increases, when CO2 levels have continued to rise?

The computer model predictions have all failed, every single one of them.

I recommend Watts Up With That You can read the studies, they give all the links and analysis there.

Please don't Google 'deniers' & run back to me saying that it is not a credible site, go see the studies, the math, & the manipulation of data for yourself. Because there are literally trillions of dollars at stake, so of course there is a vested interest in keeping this thing going. If you disagree with something I say, quote me exactly which sentences you disagree with, then show me the actual research that contradicts what I have said.

Follow the money & you will see where the truth lies. Say it were true: If you believe that humans cause climate change, how does moving vast quantities of money help that? Exactly how would a carbon tax help and exactly when would we see the verification of that?

Australia's carbon tax was to take $139 billion out of the pockets of the taxpayers. Had it been successful, it was supposed to reduce CO2 from the atmosphere from 412 parts per million (ppm) all the way down to 411.87 ppm.

That would have been a reduction of 13/100 of a part per million. It is imperceptible The computer model predictions have ALL failed, yet people want other people, poor people, to die today due to lack of cheap energy and clean water.

Obama said that above 400 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, people would start having a lot more severe asthma problems. Humans breathe out 40,000 ppm CO2 with every normal breath.

If there were no harm associated with the "green" policies, then it would not matter, but people are actually being harmed right now by energy poverty. People in Germany are illegally cutting wood in the historic Black Forest, just to heat their homes and stay alive. People are being forced to decide between heat and food, due to the massive increases in energy prices in Ontario, so that we can pay 15x the market rate for wind electricity and be forced to pay the Americans to take our excess electricity. Meanwhile, the only true green energy in Canada; hydroelectric power, has to be shut down to keep from destabilizing the grid when the wind is blowing. That's right, water is diverted from the turbines at Niagara Falls, so you can pay 15x the rate to subsidize big green. Don't lie to yourself, those are not wind farms, they are not farming the wind, they are farming the subsidies and taking money out of your pocket by theft.

Who do you think suffers? Leonardo DiCaprio, who stayed on one of the world's largest yachts during the world cup? It has an estimated 1 million litre fuel tank and a staff of 80 people. Leo didn't fly to Brazil on Delta. (edited to delete the unconfirmed number of litres of fuel burned per hour)

CO2 levels have no correlation with temperature & never have. Even in Al Gore's Powerpoint presentation, where he allows no questions and refuses to debate anyone, he neglects to tell you that the temperature graph and the CO2 graph are on different timelines. The increase in CO2 follows the warm periods by an average of 800 years.

If Gore believes what he says, why does he travel by private jet? My parents lived in Gore's Belle Meade neighborhood in Nashville for a while. Gore's house is on record as using more electricity in one month than the other houses did in a full year. Al Gore took exactly one science class in university, he got a D.

His professor in that class had a theory called global warming, Gore said that professor was his biggest influence on the subject. Later, that professor said that he was wrong and he apologized. Al Gore said his old professor was senile and should not be listened to any longer. Al Gore did study Divinity at Vanderbilt. He could have a clue on how to start a religion.

Michael Crichton was an MD, and Anthropologist, and a scientist, most people know him for writing _Jurrasic Park_. See what he had to say on the subject:

Michael Crichton on Global Warming as a Religion.

Crichton answers a student's question - video.

The real question is, how can you still believe in anthropogenic global warming when all the models have given FAILED predictions, every single time? When every catastrophic prediction since the 1980's has come and gone without the climate armageddon promised. How long do you keep believing in this doomsday cult? If this offends you, and cannot be questioned, does that mean it is your religion?

The US is at historic lows for hurricanes. All studies show that there are not, in fact, more extreme weather occurances. Why does the Australian Met office say that last year's heat wave was the hottest on record, then only include the records since 1900? There was a heat wave in Australia in the late 1800's that lasted far longer, was hotter, and killed hundreds of people. There are actual temperature records and newpaper reports from that time in Australian history. These are facts, not predictions of computer models, desgined by fallible humans.

Please read Anthony Watts (retired meteoroligist and statistician), Steve McIntyre (statistician: he killed the Hockey stick), Bjorn Lomborg (a believer, who will show you the societal cost to these policies), Judith Curry (climate scientist extraordinaire at Georgia Tech, who was excoriated for expressing scientific doubt), and Steve Goddard (who has proven that the temperature records of the past are being illegally and unethically lowered to make the present appear warmer), as well as jonova.com & www.nofrakkinconsensus.com and make an informed decision. Research Climategate and read the leaked emails for yourselves.
I cannot fault anyone for buying into this, originally, I had too. The news media has been hard selling it for years. When you do an internet search and most of the results tell you something is true, does that mean that it is true? You may get angry with me for suggesting that you have been duped, so go do the math and research for yourselves. Is it possible that you have been lied to? When they give a stat like: 97% of all scientists agree, it sounds compelling. Isn't it interesting how that study looked at 10,000 papers and out of those, only chose 70 something to claim a 97% consensus from?

Once you've made the decision to look at it as a scientist and look for actual proof, you have to question who actually benefits from keeping the lie alive. Hint: it isn't us.

BTW, I've been to the Antarctic peninsula, it is not melting. Gore went there in 2012 to prove how much had melted, notice that he never followed up on that?

The Australian Ship of Fools was full of climate scientists & journalists who were going to Antarctica to document the melting since the Mawson Expedition of 1912. Once they got stuck in the ice, they magically became tourists, in the press. Remember how ice breaker ships got stuck trying to get them out? Mawson, yeah, he sailed right up to the land. The Ship of Fools was iced in 20km or more from land.

Where are their measurements and reports? That's right, they didn't publish them, because they didn't find what they wanted to find. The leader of the Ship of Fools owns a for profit company that somehow magically disposes of CO2. Most ironically, in order to get an accurate forecast of when the ship might be able to get free, Anthony Watts had to be called in. Watts' prediction was right on the money and the ship was freed when he said it could be.

Dr Kyla Dillard

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The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change

Anthropogenic Global Warming: Why I left the Religion - Small Dead Animals
 

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and 4 out of 5 psychiatrists would recommend spirograph to their patients.

I think the 5th said Dr. Ho but I can't remember...it's not very important.