Dear Alberta - Fûck you and keep sending money..

bobnoorduyn

Council Member
Nov 26, 2008
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I live in a rural area and the farmers were beside themselves when the province tried to mess with property rights a few years ago. Some people don't seem to understand how a few landowners can cost the taxpayers a fortune just because they want to be pissy.


The province has been trying to regionalize water plants and run pipelines around the province. Uncooperative farmers and ranchers are costing the taxpayers millions (if not billions). We just completed a 6 mile pipeline 5 years ago that cost an additional $250k just because one farmer didn't want it crossing his property. I had coffee Saturday with some of these same farmers that were bitching about Kweebek and their "interference"


I have no idea what the issue was in Alberta a few years ago; many years ago it was the oil companies drilling wells on farmland, and ripping up a good 5 - 10 acres doing so. I remember mineral rights trump surface rights, as wrong as that may be. NS had its own property rights issues for the last number of years; private Australian mining companies running to the government and successfully having them expropriate private land for commercial use, private quarry companies successfully doing likewise taking land that has been in one particular family for just over 3 centuries. And Quebec is worse. Plus I don't think Ontario, (where most of the proposed pipeline already exists) is any more averse than Quebec or the Maritimes to expropriate if the need requires it.


Maybe you could educate me here; I thought pipelines were buried and the biggest inconvenience was during the construction phase. I dunno. Plus, to my understanding much of this pipeline already exists and is to be re-purposed to carry bitumen rather than natural gas in the opposite direction.


One thing I am pretty sure of is that Obama is being rather disingenuous nixing the pipeline to the Gulf coast considering there is enough pipeline in the US to encircle the globe 4 times.


As much as I believe property rights deserve the utmost respect, land you do not have title to, i.e. Crown land, belongs to all of us collectively. Unfortunately the current climate, so to speak, gives hellofalot more weight to the cries of the pseudo environmentalists. Thank you Maurice Strong.
 

Cannuck

Time Out
Feb 2, 2006
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My experience is with water. The issue as I see it for landowners is they have to give us the ability to go onto their property if there is a leak or possibly to operate appurtenances. Also, the potential for crop damage caused by a leak. Considering the water mains are PVC and will likely outlast the farmer or rancher, I'm not sure that's valid. I think they are just stubborn and don't want to cooperate. Think of Walter being asked to work with "gubmint"
 

damngrumpy

Executive Branch Member
Mar 16, 2005
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In BC we have two things I like the Agricultural Land Commission
And right to farm legislation. Yes we have to have some control
to ensure a supply of viable farmland and we have to ensure it is
protected for future generations. Forty-four years ago the farmers
fought the changes brought in by the government of Dave Barret
now the vast majority of the farmers support it I farm and I do.

Rural people here are learning to be less confrontational and are
finally getting somewhere as opposed to shouting in unison against
what they don't understand in a changing world.
 

JamesBondo

House Member
Mar 3, 2012
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It totally baffles me that this country doesn't already have a traffic/utilities/resources corridor.

WTF?!?!?!
 

B00Mer

Make Canada Great Again
Sep 6, 2008
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Rent Free in Your Head
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It totally baffles me that this country doesn't already have a traffic/utilities/resources corridor.

WTF?!?!?!

If for any reason Canada and the USA had a falling out, Canada would be screwed... 51 staters, even if most Canadians don't want to admit it. The U.S. influence and economy has already taken hold.. only old people that are soft in the head don't get it.

An estimated 75 percent of Canadians live within 161 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border, and our trade is primarily north to south.
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
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Red Deer AB
Yes. Some of them even inhabit this site.





Broomer's the only one I know of but there's probably quite a few of more around
Justification to separate is not the same as same as making it happen. Alberta would have to join Montana, Joining the US would be a step down. Having each Albertan get $1M would make it a done deal as far as I know. Quebec and Ontario could complain to DC
 

MHz

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Mar 16, 2007
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If for any reason Canada and the USA had a falling out, Canada would be screwed... 51 staters, even if most Canadians don't want to admit it. The U.S. influence and economy has already taken hold.. only old people that are soft in the head don't get it.

An estimated 75 percent of Canadians live within 161 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border, and our trade is primarily north to south.
Mexico and South America are where we should be looking to export to. Igloo looking shelters that double as a safe room or something along that line. Send the over 65 down there to start that end of it as they would want all the same perks we have these days. The wheat fields will be in Kansas.

That is being offered.. $100,000 USD per Albertan.
Really?? lol Before or after taxes?? Isn't the lotto down there over $1B?? It needs another zero.