Daylight saving time

talloola

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Well, quadruple daylight savings would allow you to golf until midnight!
But to be just a little contrary,
Daylight savings buggars up the early morning golf.
PS to Petros
What's a watch?

I don't care about the morning golfers;-) and I'm not interested in quadruple
daylight savings, one hour will do just fine thanks.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I vote 100% with Ron in Regina on this, possibly because I too am in Regina. I see no value in switching time twice a year (too @#@#$ many clocks to reset in my house), and every argument but one I've ever seen in favour of it is easily dismissed as nonsense. That one is the longer period of light in summer evenings. In the deep winter, when it's light for such a short time anyway at these latitudes, it really doesn't matter, you're going to be going to work in the dark and going home in the dark, so it seems to me that if we're going to change times around, the sensible thing to do is to "spring forward" once and leave it there.

Part of the problem, really, is just the way time zones are laid out. Time zones are 15 degrees wide, so 24 of them make a full circle, and they start at the 0 meridian at Greenwich, near London. The meridian at 105 degrees west of Greenwich should thus be the boundary of a time zone, 7 hours behind Greenwich. That line runs almost precisely down the centre of Saskatchewan, and no matter what time zone the province adopts, some people on the far east side or the far west side of the province are going to be unhappy about the time because it shortens their summer evenings. But if you look at summer sunrise and sunset times in Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina, Edmonton, and Calgary, they don't differ by more than a few minutes, and there doesn't seem to be any ferment in Manitoba or Alberta about the length of summer evenings. Tempest in a teapot if you ask me.
 

shadowshiv

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I vote 100% with Ron in Regina on this, possibly because I too am in Regina. I see no value in switching time twice a year (too @#@#$ many clocks to reset in my house), and every argument but one I've ever seen in favour of it is easily dismissed as nonsense. That one is the longer period of light in summer evenings. In the deep winter, when it's light for such a short time anyway at these latitudes, it really doesn't matter, you're going to be going to work in the dark and going home in the dark, so it seems to me that if we're going to change times around, the sensible thing to do is to "spring forward" once and leave it there.

Part of the problem, really, is just the way time zones are laid out. Time zones are 15 degrees wide, so 24 of them make a full circle, and they start at the 0 meridian at Greenwich, near London. The meridian at 105 degrees west of Greenwich should thus be the boundary of a time zone, 7 hours behind Greenwich. That line runs almost precisely down the centre of Saskatchewan, and no matter what time zone the province adopts, some people on the far east side or the far west side of the province are going to be unhappy about the time because it shortens their summer evenings. But if you look at summer sunrise and sunset times in Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina, Edmonton, and Calgary, they don't differ by more than a few minutes, and there doesn't seem to be any ferment in Manitoba or Alberta about the length of summer evenings. Tempest in a teapot if you ask me.

I believe this is the first time I've seen you with a different Avatar since I've joined, Dexter.8O
 

petros

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I vote 100% with Ron in Regina on this, possibly because I too am in Regina. I see no value in switching time twice a year (too @#@#$ many clocks to reset in my house), and every argument but one I've ever seen in favour of it is easily dismissed as nonsense. That one is the longer period of light in summer evenings. In the deep winter, when it's light for such a short time anyway at these latitudes, it really doesn't matter, you're going to be going to work in the dark and going home in the dark, so it seems to me that if we're going to change times around, the sensible thing to do is to "spring forward" once and leave it there.

Part of the problem, really, is just the way time zones are laid out. Time zones are 15 degrees wide, so 24 of them make a full circle, and they start at the 0 meridian at Greenwich, near London. The meridian at 105 degrees west of Greenwich should thus be the boundary of a time zone, 7 hours behind Greenwich. That line runs almost precisely down the centre of Saskatchewan, and no matter what time zone the province adopts, some people on the far east side or the far west side of the province are going to be unhappy about the time because it shortens their summer evenings. But if you look at summer sunrise and sunset times in Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina, Edmonton, and Calgary, they don't differ by more than a few minutes, and there doesn't seem to be any ferment in Manitoba or Alberta about the length of summer evenings. Tempest in a teapot if you ask me.
SaskPower gets to sell more energy over a longer period using less coal. If our supper time were in sync with MB MT MN SD & ND we wouldn't be exporting as much.
 

petros

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Daylight savings is a farce. If you want to spend 10% of your life sleep deprived, wake up 10% earlier and the day will be 10% longer.
 

talloola

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Me too Talloola. I'm so glad it's longer than it used to be.

Looking forward to this week end, more daylight in the evenings, gets people
out and about for evening walks, evening yard maintenance, sporting activities, etc., I see it as a 'totally' positive move, and it obviously is, or they wouldnt
do it.
All the grumbling is surprising to me, what's the problem, could it be, 'turning
one's clock ahead', my my tsk tsk, is it that hard?;-)
 

Nuggler

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:blob6:........One more hour of fishing time in the evening!!!!!

Dang, I was havin a shytey Monday, till someone brought up the GOOD OL DST.

Now me palms is sweaty and I'm goin out to check on the flyrods.

Maybe uncover the canoe and see she's ok.

Check out the tent and sleepin bags.

Who says Mondays suck????

:lol:
 

petros

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The best fishing is in the morning anyway. no matter what a clock says the day begins at dawn and ends at dusk. When you don't worry about the clock you live a far happier and less stressful life leaving you all the hours in the world to enjoy fishing when you are 65 and as healthy as someone 45.
 

petros

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You've got to admit the human body is set up to operate strictly within daylight hours. On the other hand night golfing with infrared goggles has some real advantages for the best tee times and it's rarely windy.
 

Dexter Sinister

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SaskPower gets to sell more energy over a longer period using less coal. If our supper time were in sync with MB MT MN SD & ND we wouldn't be exporting as much.
Yes, energy conservation is one of the touted benefits of DST, but I've never been able to figure out if there's any truth to it. I googled "daylight savings time energy conservation" and got about 150,000 hits, which seemed to be about evenly divided pro and con. I didn't look at them all of course, but a pseudo-random sampling of them suggests all the pro studies say the con studies are flawed in some fatal way, and vice versa. That strongly suggests to me that the difference, if there is one, must be pretty small if it's so hard to prove it one way or the other.
 

petros

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Dexter, It's not a conservation issue but the length of time boilers are stoked up to produce a high rate over three time zones each having a peak usage in the late afternoon early evening. When your customers range from AB MB MT MN SD & ND over three zones it pays big time. By the time that big stoke burns down streetlights and heavy industry over those zones keep enough of a load on that stoking up for the AM peak isn't too big an effort. It's pay immensly for an energy exporter to cover several zones while yours is neutral.
 

VanIsle

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You've got to admit the human body is set up to operate strictly within daylight hours. On the other hand night golfing with infrared goggles has some real advantages for the best tee times and it's rarely windy.
And you would also have to admit that anyone going on vacation to a different time zone goes through the same effect on the way to and from home, having to feel the effect at least twice from the time they leave home and return. I don't see anyone whining too much about that and yet changing twice a year seems to be such a big deal to some people.
 

petros

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And you would also have to admit that anyone going on vacation to a different time zone goes through the same effect on the way to and from home, having to feel the effect at least twice from the time they leave home and return. I don't see anyone whining too much about that and yet changing twice a year seems to be such a big deal to some people.
Jetlag is indeed harsh and only proves why it's recommended you don't drive and take a day or two off until you readjust. Who whines after a holiday? I hear and do plenty of whining when it's travelling on business. It one of the major casuse of stress in todays business world. It sucks staying up half the night to do teleconferences or trying get sleep on a plane when the kids beside you are still tripping on what they dropped in Amsterdam before coming home to the police state.

Sleep is precious and is not something to be screwed around with due to politics. Instead of changing the clock why not change the work hours to start an hour earlier? Why would you want to start work at 9 when the sun has already been up for 4.5 hours and it's hard to sleep because it's bright?
 

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Jetlag is indeed harsh and only proves why it's recommended you don't drive and take a day or two off until you readjust. Who whines after a holiday? I hear and do plenty of whining when it's travelling on business. It one of the major casuse of stress in todays business world. It sucks staying up half the night to do teleconferences or trying get sleep on a plane when the kids beside you are still tripping on what they dropped in Amsterdam before coming home to the police state.

Sleep is precious and is not something to be screwed around with due to politics. Instead of changing the clock why not change the work hours to start an hour earlier? Why would you want to start work at 9 when the sun has already been up for 4.5 hours and it's hard to sleep because it's bright?
Ah Iggy, as you said - different complaints if you are travelling for work or play. Jet lag sucks but you accept it as part of your trip if it's a holiday. Sleep is precious so why would I screw with it by getting up an hour early? I cannot believe it would be any different to get used to than changing to DST. It would just happen all year long. The way to darken your room when it's too bright out is to use black out liners for your drapes in your bedroom. I do not sleep with any light. I have black out liners. You can buy black out liner at any fabric store.
As for starting work at 9. I have not done that since I started my current job. If I work til 10 PM there is no reason for me to hop out of bed at 7. Plus - my hubby works only evenings and graveyard shifts - easier to stay awake when it's light at 4.
 
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There is no energy saving, at least none that credible companies are willing to report.
DST is just for making an extra buck-which means energy expenditure. If it weren't we wouldn't do it!