Crime rate falls 6% across Canada in 2011

SLM

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Unreported crime always was real. The problem is, how do you objectively evaluate if policies are having an effect on something that isn't accurately measured?

Guesstimation? Lol.

It's whichever the way the political wind is blowing.

It was a stupid comment when CPC made it, it's a stupid comment now.
 

petros

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What about non-property crimes?
What about them? Do you think the folks down at the ER can't tell the difference between somebody who has been boot ****ed and truly walked into a door? Crime stats are guaged from many sources other than what is strictly reported to cops.
 

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What about them? Do you think the folks down at the ER can't tell the difference between somebody who has been boot ****ed and truly walked into a door?

Do you think it would be unreported if the medical staff believe an assault was committed? They have a duty to report.

As I said, accurate. Reported crime is far more accurate as indicators go than proxies.
 

petros

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No they don't. That is breaking patient med service confidentiality.

Big deal what you said. You aren't exactly known for thinking beyond the box.
 

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No they don't. That is breaking patient med service confidentiality.
No it isn't. It isn't done, because medical personnel don't want to discourage women from seeking medical attention.

Health care professionals can report suspected criminal activity legally.

They're only legally required to, with regards to weapon wounds.

You aren't exactly known for thinking beyond the box.
I disagree.
 

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Hmmm, I wonder which database someone would use to search through to find all ER visits where the doctor suspected there was an assault...
 

petros

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If somebody says they walked into a door that is as far as it goes unless as T did note a minor was involved.
 

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:lol: Jumped the gun. Should take my own advice and slow down perhaps, :D

Well I found out why it was dropping - Super Vic to the rescue

Police report lowest crime rate in forty years, Statistics Canada says | News | National Post

TORONTO — The rate of crimes reported to Canadian police forces reached its lowest level in 40 years in 2011, Statistics Canada reported Tuesday.

The government agency says there were about two million incidents reported to police last year, about 110,000 fewer than in 2010.

The severity of crime index, a tool used to measure the extent of serious crime in Canada, also dropped by six per cent.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, who has been heavily criticized for his tough-on-crime agenda despite the year-after-year evidence that shows crime rates lowering in Canada, said the latest report suggests his government’s policies are working.
 

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In some provinces knife wounds also. Oh and any child abuse. And elder abuse.

It only recently included gun shots in some Provinces- Alberta made this the law a few years ago -So the legal requirement to report it is entirely related to the Prov - Fed Laws- Also as Petros mentions shelters for abused women- information is gathered- If a person does not want to lay a charge it is nearly impossible to prove spousal abuse.

Lastly - When a person refuses to lay an assault charge or many other charges- the Police will in all likelihood- raise their report- That is if they were even informed and that is about as far as it goes. You cannot coerce a person into laying a criminal charge- Against the law. The public would hang the Police Officer out to dry
 

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Which policies is Toews on about? When the Conservatives had a minority government their crime bills died. The omnibus bill was a conglomerate of nine separate bills that the Conservatives were never able to pass when they were a minority government. And the new crime bill only received Royal Assent in March of this year.

So how could the policies which included mandatory minimums, new criminal offences, and elimination of conditional sentencing in some cases, lead to a reduction in reported crime a full year before the legislation is even stamped? It's an insult to good sense to swallow that codswallop.

The reality is that reported crime has been dropping for some time now. There's nothing in that data that indicates a change due to any policies.
 

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Which policies is Toews on about? When the Conservatives had a minority government their crime bills died. The omnibus bill was a conglomerate of nine separate bills that the Conservatives were never able to pass when they were a minority government. And the new crime bill only received Royal Assent in March of this year.

So how could the policies which included mandatory minimums, new criminal offences, and elimination of conditional sentencing in some cases, lead to a reduction in reported crime a full year before the legislation is even stamped? It's an insult to good sense to swallow that codswallop.

The reality is that reported crime has been dropping for some time now. There's nothing in that data that indicates a change due to any policies.

Well we all know Vic is over the top. And he could be a judge- Scary.