COVID-19 'Pandemic'

[Serryah]

If it's Omacron, who cares if cases rise. In vaccinated people it is a minor cold/flu. Nothing to worry about. If it hits an unvaxed person, they made their choice. I would not cancel any surgeries. If there is nobody to take care of an unvaxed covid patient and they die, it is on them at this point. They made their choice, live with the consequences.

It's because staff have got it, and now they're that short surgeries cannot be done.

Last week even we had an anaesthetist test positive and our general surgeries were nixed.

While I agree, people made their choices, pushed for this and now this is what we get, but people that get Covid can still get admitted to hospital. I've heard of three of it from our area already. So it's not still just a minor cold/flu to some.

 

[pgs]

If it's Omacron, who cares if cases rise. In vaccinated people it is a minor cold/flu. Nothing to worry about. If it hits an unvaxed person, they made their choice. I would not cancel any surgeries. If there is nobody to take care of an unvaxed covid patient and they die, it is on them at this point. They made their choice, live with the consequences.

Will you say the same for the fully vaxxed ? Or how about those only partially vaxxed ? How about smokers , or those who ski out of bounds ? How big of a can of worms are you willing to open ?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Will you say the same for the fully vaxxed ? Or how about those only partially vaxxed ? How about smokers , or those who ski out of bounds ? How big of a can of worms are you willing to open ?

I remember at Whistler, if you skied out of bounds and had to be rescued you got a huge bill.

 

[pgs]

I remember at Whistler, if you skied out of bounds and had to be rescued you got a huge bill.

I never had to be rescued.

 

[pgs]

I remember at Whistler, if you skied out of bounds and had to be rescued you got a huge bill.

You would never have been denied medical treatment .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I remember at Whistler, if you skied out of bounds and had to be rescued you got a huge bill.

How about if you ski out of bounds, no attempt will be made to rescue you? You made your choice, right? Go ahead on and die.

Ultimately, that's what you're advocating.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

How about if you ski out of bounds, no attempt will be made to rescue you? You made your choice, right? Go ahead on and die.

Ultimately, that's what you're advocating.

A more accurate analogy is that one helicopter is available to rescue someone and there is a person in bounds and one out of bounds that require rescue. You rescue the one in bounds. When the helicopter is available again then you can go ahead and rescue the one out of bounds. The initial discussion started about bed shortages. If there is no bed available there is no bed available and I would simply de-prioritize those who have made their choice. If I implied 'denial of care' that was not my intent. I will go back and re-read in case I wasn't clear.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

A more accurate analogy is that one helicopter is available to rescue someone and there is a person in bounds and one out of bounds that require rescue. You rescue the one in bounds. When the helicopter is available again then you can go ahead and rescue the one out of bounds. The initial discussion started about bed shortages. If there is no bed available there is no bed available and I would simply de-prioritize those who have made their choice. If I implied 'denial of care' that was not my intent. I will go back and re-read in case I wasn't clear.

Be one heck of a decision matrix. Do you give the bed to the one who needs it most, or the one who deserves it most? Let's say you have one ventilator left. Do you give it to the unvaxxed Covid patient or the smoker?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Be one heck of a decision matrix. Do you give the bed to the one who needs it most, or the one who deserves it most? Let's say you have one ventilator left. Do you give it to the unvaxxed Covid patient or the smoker?

I would do the smoker. He has paid his sin taxes for his choices. In theory those taxes cover his increased need for medical care (in theory).

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I would do the smoker. He has paid his sin taxes for his choices. In theory those taxes cover his increased need for medical care (in theory).

Good idea. Better yet, you could include "total lifetime taxes paid" as a mandatory item on the paperwork.

 

[taxslave]

Be one heck of a decision matrix. Do you give the bed to the one who needs it most, or the one who deserves it most? Let's say you have one ventilator left. Do you give it to the unvaxxed Covid patient or the smoker?

Which ever one looks to have the best chance of survival at the moment. That is how triage works. Often there is no right or wrong answer here, you have about 15 seconds to decide which one has the best chance of surviving to the next level of care. One of the rules of triage is the guy having a jammer is left to die because his chances of survival is slim and takes too many resources for a dubious outcome , as opposed to a heavy bleeder.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Which ever one looks to have the best chance of survival at the moment. That is how triage works. Often there is no right or wrong answer here, you have about 15 seconds to decide which one has the best chance of surviving to the next level of care. One of the rules of triage is the guy having a jammer is left to die because his chances of survival is slim and takes too many resources for a dubious outcome , as opposed to a heavy bleeder.

Thank you. Yes, for well over a century the standard for ethical medical decision-making has been "which is most likely to benefit from treatment?" As you say, that is the basis of the brutal but necessary practice of triage.

I find neither of the alternatives, "who deserves it more?" and "who can pay for it?" acceptable.

 

[taxslave]

How about if you ski out of bounds, no attempt will be made to rescue you? You made your choice, right? Go ahead on and die.

Ultimately, that's what you're advocating.

There will not usually be an attempt by ski hill staff. They will call SAR and help any way they can, but out of bounds work voids insurance and should there be a lawsuit afterwards the ski patrol would be on their own. Not the hill's responsibility.

 

[taxslave]

Thank you. Yes, for well over a century the standard for ethical medical decision-making has been "which is most likely to benefit from treatment?" As you say, that is the basis of the brutal but necessary practice of triage.

I find neither of the alternatives, "who deserves it more?" and "who can pay for it?" acceptable.

Pay is irrelevant. We don't usually charge for saving lives. But, with limited resources the one that has the best chance of survival deserves the treatment more.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Thank you. Yes, for well over a century the standard for ethical medical decision-making has been "which is most likely to benefit from treatment?" As you say, that is the basis of the brutal but necessary practice of triage.

I find neither of the alternatives, "who deserves it more?" and "who can pay for it?" acceptable.

Your system is entirely based on who can pay for it is it not?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Your system is entirely based on who can pay for it is it not?

For about half the population.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Good idea. Better yet, you could include "total lifetime taxes paid" as a mandatory item on the paperwork.

I simply pointed out that healthcare is already factored into the smoker's life choices. If we were concerned about more we would make selling and smoking cigarettes completely illegal.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I simply pointed out that healthcare is already factored into the smoker's life choices. If we were concerned about more we would make selling and smoking cigarettes completely illegal.

I genuinely hope you don't believe that. If you really do, I have no argument to make. Administering medicine to the dead is a waste of time and energy.

Suffice to say that I hold to a medical ethical system based on doing the most good with available resources, allocating them to those who will most benefit from them.

 

[spaminator]

Stolen Public Health Agency supplies cost taxpayers $106 million: Report
Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Publishing date:Apr 04, 2022 • 15 hours ago • 2 minute read • 9 Comments
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Fast COVID-19 contracting and the theft of Public Health Agency supplies cost taxpayers more than $106 million, according to Blacklock’s Reporter.

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“Despite the agency’s best efforts in ensuring value for money and minimizing risks associated with purchasing such a large amount of goods some vendors did not provide deliverables,” the agency wrote in an Inquiry Of Ministry tabled in the Commons.

“The agency is reporting a loss of $105 million due to advanced payments made to suppliers for orders that will not be fulfilled. These cases relate to goods purchased as part of the agency’s COVID-19 response.”

Tango Communications Marketing of Montreal is being sued by federal lawyers for $82 million over the purchase of 37,000,000 masks from China and the delivery was late, according to Ontario Superior Court records.

A separate firm — 1245431 B.C. Limited of Toronto — is being sued for $7.9 million and the agency said the firm “failed to meet their contractual obligations” over supply of high-grade N95 masks.

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Spartan Bioscience Inc. of Ottawa received $16.4 million in unrecoverable funding to deliver COVID test kits that failed clinical trials and the company filed for bankruptcy.

The Inquiry found there was $1.2 million of stolen pandemic supplies.

“Blacklock’s earlier obtained records concerning the July 4, 2020 theft of millions of masks being trucked from John C. Munro International Airport in Hamilton, Ont. to a warehouse in Vaudreuil, Que. The Department of Public Works said at the time it was not comfortable with publicly divulging the location of any of our warehouses,” according to an internal staff email.

Conservative MP Tom Kmiec (Calgary Shepard) says records show federal regulators approved COVID contracts and wired cash advances to vendors in breach of Treasury Board regulations.

“We are losing deals because the Americans are moving faster than us so we are moving as quickly as possible to wire transfer money now,” Sabrina Kim, then a political aide in the Prime Minister’s Office, wrote in an April 5, 2020 staff email.

“If we need to use the military on logistics and deliveries in Canada so things can get where they need to go faster then we can do that.”

Stolen Public Health Agency supplies cost taxpayers $106 million: Report

Fast COVID-19 contracting and the theft of Public Health Agency supplies reportedly cost taxpayers more than $106 million.

torontosun.com

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Good stewardship of the public treasury is essential to a healthy country.

I hope you get some.