COVID-19 'Pandemic'

[Ron in Regina]

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There will be a big dope fest when CV19 cheques come out.

15 years into my mortgage and I've learned to forecast the "Trifecta" shitstorms in advance. Hot weather + Lunar cycle + Gov't Money = Chaos and little sleep that night, etc...& bonus extra Gov't $$$ messes with the predictions.

Take Spring hitting with most (by no means all) self isolating with little to no social interaction, and bonus "Free" money....and it'll be a goat rodeo. A crazy 2 day block party and crime spree for a chunk of the population, and bunkering in with little sleep for a different big chunk. People will need the cash but I'm not looking forward to this either. The only saving grace would be the cash being released during ugly weather....

 

[petros]

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If I sit in Graasick Park at an hour before sunset I can watch a migration from the north end of the hood to my area. At sunrise they stagger home or are so f-cking blitzed they do that twisting and arm flailing dance while yelling at a light post.

Itll be a looooong month. Whiz should be out now, GST in another week then Kung Flu money the week after follow by child tax credit the week after.

 

[petros]

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India was shut down but how do 1.3B people "isolate" in such a small area?

 

[Ron in Regina]

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India was shut down but how do 1.3B people "isolate" in such a small area?

You don't. It's just wishful thinking. Google "India Trains" to see what I mean. I don't think its possible to 'isolate' in much of India.

 

[Ron in Regina]

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[petros]

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I'm very familiar with their rail. I'm one of those types that has a rail trip bucket list. I even have a special pass for free companion and discounted fares for VIA and Amtrak.

 

[petros]

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Thank God for first class.

 

[captain morgan]

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Better than some in some areas, average in most and absolutely horrific in others.

It could be stellar if the system wasn't so abused by patients and staff.

If Canadians saw the bill for a common sprain after a trip through the ED or seeing an MD for the sniffles it would give perspective make people think twice about usage.

And herein lies the real problem. Those folks that expect 'free healthcare' and never, ever take a moment to consider what it actually costs to manage or administer their 'free healthcare'.


As such, it's far too easy to default to the not-my-problem-cause-I-won't-get-billed position

You have inside information about that?? ;-)

Inside info?


All you need to do is take a trip down to Blood Alley in YVR's East End on Welfare Wednesday and you'll get all the inside info you need

 

[Walter]

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Wuhan reported only about 2,500 #coronavirus deaths, but 5,000 urns were delivered to one mortuary over just 2 days.“Wuhan has seven other mortuaries.”
Someone is telling a fib.

Bin lying since November.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

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And herein lies the real problem. Those folks that expect 'free healthcare' and never, ever take a moment to consider what it actually costs to manage or administer their 'free healthcare'.

Do you expect that people given "free" healthcare will overuse it? Like, go to the doctor for funsies?

As such, it's far too easy to default to the not-my-problem-cause-I-won't-get-billed position

Well, considering that the best alternative we've seen so far is "All right, Mr. Smith, please sign here, here, and here. It's your insurance authorization, the deed to your house, and your bankruptcy filing." maybe we should be looking for another solution?

Just a thought.

 

[petros]

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Bin lying since November.

When the first frosts hit. Viruses dont do well in the heat on fomites. It's why the journey starts with you getting the chills. In turn your body fights back with a fever.

 

[taxslave]

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Do you expect that people given "free" healthcare will overuse it? Like, go to the doctor for funsies?
Well, considering that the best alternative we've seen so far is "All right, Mr. Smith, please sign here, here, and here. It's your insurance authorization, the deed to your house, and your bankruptcy filing." maybe we should be looking for another solution?
Just a thought.

This is Canada. Health is a"free" government service. Don't even have to be a citizen. In fact if you are an illegal or a prisoner you are entitled to better medical treatment than a disabled vet. Many people do go to emerg with sniffles. Scares the shit out me when I worked on ambulance and we brought in someone with open wounds to the same waiting area.

 

[petros]

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Do you expect that people given "free" healthcare will overuse it? Like, go to the doctor for funsies?
Well, considering that the best alternative we've seen so far is "All right, Mr. Smith, please sign here, here, and here. It's your insurance authorization, the deed to your house, and your bankruptcy filing." maybe we should be looking for another solution?
Just a thought.

Yeah, people do go to the Dr for funsies. When grandma has an issue, she gets more attention from the kids and grandkids. Then there are the stubbed toes, the sniffles, bad breath or just need a warm place to crash and eat a few sandwiches types hitting the ED instead of a walk in clinic.

There are a lot of lazy staff and those who drink from stress and end up blowing off shifts creating crazy OT costs.

Theft by the public and staff is problematic cuz its "free". You should see my first aid kit, it's a rubbermaid tub. No, my old lady doesnt steal, she just pays attention to the expiry dates. It all gets destroyed otherwise.

 

[captain morgan]

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Do you expect that people given "free" healthcare will overuse it? Like, go to the doctor for funsies?

Well, considering that the best alternative we've seen so far is "All right, Mr. Smith, please sign here, here, and here. It's your insurance authorization, the deed to your house, and your bankruptcy filing." maybe we should be looking for another solution?

Just a thought.

You are absolutely correct on the overuse issue.


Among the many problems in the Cdn healthcare experience, there is no consequence for abuse, misuse or ignoring the advice of the Dr., hell, our system rewards those that 'shop' for the diagnosis they seek in addition to the go-forward actions that they (as non medical professionals) deem necessary, after all, they watched an episode of Scrubs or some other emergency room drama so they are damned near expert in the field.


Little Timmy has a slight cough and fever?... Demand a bed in the ICU and a raft of MRIs as a start (until mum can review another couple episodes of Grey's Anatomy)... And why not make these demands?.. Don't cost nuttin'

 

[taxslave]

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ANother one I noticed in my years of roaming the coast is that residents of remote reserves would all of a sudden need to see a doc on friday afternoon. And the government pays for the flight. Some weekends there would be a whole Beaver load from one rez.

 

[petros]

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This is Canada. Health is a"free" government service. Don't even have to be a citizen. In fact if you are an illegal or a prisoner you are entitled to better medical treatment than a disabled vet. Many people do go to emerg with sniffles. Scares the shit out me when I worked on ambulance and we brought in someone with open wounds to the same waiting area.

If it were truly "free" as we keep hearing we wouldnt see this in Canaduh ;

Survey research commissioned by the Canadian government found that despite having a government-run health system, medical reasons (including uninsured expenses), were cited as the primary cause of bankruptcy by approximately 15 percent of bankrupt Canadian seniors (55 years of age and older).

https://www.fraserinstitute.org › article

The Medical Bankruptcy Myth | Fraser Institute

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

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You are absolutely correct on the overuse issue.
Among the many problems in the Cdn healthcare experience, there is no consequence for abuse, misuse or ignoring the advice of the Dr., hell, our system rewards those that 'shop' for the diagnosis they seek in addition to the go-forward actions that they (as non medical professionals) deem necessary, after all, they watched an episode of Scrubs or some other emergency room drama so they are damned near expert in the field.
Little Timmy has a slight cough and fever?... Demand a bed in the ICU and a raft of MRIs as a start (until mum can review another couple episodes of Grey's Anatomy)... And why not make these demands?.. Don't cost nuttin'

Got any data on the overuse issue?

Tell you why I ask. It seems crazy to me that a significant number of people would seek medical attention more than necessary. It ain't a real pleasant experience generally.

I understand there's spoiled brats, Munchhausen Syndrome people (I won't say "sufferers"), and mommy's-little-angel parents, but I'd like to know to what extent (in terms of percentage of total cost) they are before I start supporting draconian measures like making it a crime to not follow doctor's orders.

Has the health-care system in Canada, or one of the provinces, done this kind of analysis?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

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This is Canada. Health is a"free" government service.

Aware of that, thanks. How does your statement address my statement of the alternative?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

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Yeah, people do go to the Dr for funsies. When grandma has an issue, she gets more attention from the kids and grandkids. Then there are the stubbed toes, the sniffles, bad breath or just need a warm place to crash and eat a few sandwiches types hitting the ED instead of a walk in clinic.

There are a lot of lazy staff and those who drink from stress and end up blowing off shifts creating crazy OT costs.

Theft by the public and staff is problematic cuz its "free". You should see my first aid kit, it's a rubbermaid tub. No, my old lady doesnt steal, she just pays attention to the expiry dates. It all gets destroyed otherwise.

There was a story on the news yesterday. Since the pandemic started, ER visits in Etobicoke (Toronto's busiest ER) have dropped 40%. The testing centre is full but that is now separate from the ER. This means on an average pre-pandemic day 40% of the visits did not have to be done. If they can be cured at home now, they could have been then too. From the times I have had to go to the ER, there are a lot of people there for something that seems trivial (kid with runny nose or cough).

 

[petros]

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ANother one I noticed in my years of roaming the coast is that residents of remote reserves would all of a sudden need to see a doc on friday afternoon. And the government pays for the flight. Some weekends there would be a whole Beaver load from one rez.

Drink a little kerosene for genuine cramps to keep it authentic.