Like i said earlier, plenty of people are convicted on surveilance camera footage. The government is your accuser, and you are completely entitled to face the charge in court and challenge the menthod.
Contesting a Photo Radar Ticket
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Like i said earlier, plenty of people are convicted on surveilance camera footage. The government is your accuser, and you are completely entitled to face the charge in court and challenge the menthod.
Highways are provincial. Speed cams are municipal. As far as know, the province doesnt have cams period. So,the wreckage you prob see day to day has nothing to do with it.
When the machines take over we will all be facing
This will be your fault Karrie I mean Neville!
I lost a friend in november. She was on the phone, bluetooth it was safe, and pulled out smack dab in front of a loaded semi going 70. Distractions arent strictly physical.
Legally, but stat's show that there is no difference in the distraction...
but that's another thread, I guess. Too much of a rush to impose the
Cell Phone legislation & damn the torpedo's...I mean information.
PHOTO RADAR is nothing but a tax grab as it penalizes the owner of the vehicle not the drive. That is the main reason it was tossed from BC.
Yes, but Truckers use CB's that's not illegal.
Karrie, Bluetooth, phone still needs to be dialed.. maybe she was looking down and dialing.
My phone is voice activated and sits on the dash.. out of hands reach.
Soon, turning on the radio will be a killer.
Accidents happen, that is why they call them accidents. Nobody will ever be 100% safe behind the wheel of a car.. nobody.
Thank you.. I will have to find that court case and see if it could be applied to Alberta.
Karrie, Bluetooth, phone still needs to be dialed.. maybe she was looking down and dialing.
My phone is voice activated and sits on the dash.. out of hands reach.
Soon, turning on the radio will be a killer.
Accidents happen, that is why they call them accidents. Nobody will ever be 100% safe behind the wheel of a car.. nobody.
Thank you.. I will have to find that court case and see if it could be applied to Alberta.
You assume it was me driving..
As I said, I think it was my wife (ex-wife common law) driving.. I will be checking my Tractor Trailer Log Books later.. 28th, I should have been in Grande Prairie and my wife would have been driving the PT because her car was getting repaired after being stolen. (you know, the cops doing their job Trex) New steering column and ignition had to be installed.
Funny that week 3 cars stolen around here, and one abandon stolen car left in the lot. Just can't pull one over on The Calgary Hat Squad.
The Hat Squad - "Pilot" 1 of 7 - YouTube
I stand by what I said.
Drop your purse and pay the fine.
Its a deal at the price.
So your a million plus mile big rig driver?
Why are we having this conversation?
You know better.
Way better.
Long haul truckers are some of the most experienced drivers on the roads.
I have nothing but respect for experienced drivers.
And it sounds like you are one.
Sounds like.
So why the snivel about a ticket blowing an icy intersection at 20 over?
Just so you know I too have a class one with air.
Learned what a pain it is to try chain up after spinning out in Monkman Pass.
Done the lost air,big slide thing.
Puckered up on the washed out logging and slushed covered river crossings.
That was in my 20's.
It was, I admit, a puckering expierence at times.
But in all honesty I dont have your alleged highway miles, I moved on.
However you talk about Germanys highways, lived there, been there done that, got the EU passport, completely familiar with the roads and regulations.
Also got the race track track licenses and racing certs in Canada.
And how does all this relate to you illegally blowing winter intersections locally at high speeds in a PT Cruiser?
It doesn't.
You of all people should knw better
Want to drive fast? ........Take it to the track.
Pay the fracking ticket.
So it maybe wasn't you at the wheel.
Who cares.
You got a huge break through photo-radar.
No insurance issues
Or maybe it was somebody else driving your car.
They too got an insurance break.
And you think the whole legal system should be changed?
It's already a drive fast for cheap system ( $120 this time for you).
It's a deal for gods sake.
Suck it up FFS
You know better.
Or maybe you don't
No. She was in the middle of a conversation. The smash and then dead air, will haunt our mutual friend forever.
Not that i think laws will help, but education might.
Agggh Ha!! Just got off the phone with my wife in Mexico.. I new it wasn't me. Still, one of my cars.. so I'm liable. Stupid tax.
I arrived home at 2:30PM from Grande Prairie that day.
She was returning from Deerfoot mall getting her plane ticket for Mexico.. I can see why see was running.. happy to be leaving this frozen wasteland. :lol:
I arrived home at 2:30PM from Grande Prairie that day.
She was returning from Deerfoot mall getting her plane ticket for Mexico.. I can see why see was running.. happy to be leaving this frozen wasteland. :lol:
Well yeah thats true.
On the other hand its a cheap ticket to drive fast at minimal cost.
I hate to say it but I have become a fan of photo-radar.
Why?
Because I now live in BC.
In Alberta Photo-radar is a tax on driving fast.
And to be blunt you can drive really fast cars pretty fast for a somewhat reasonable price (fine wise).
Its a good deal actually.
No insurance or licensing issues at all.
Of course it should all be on the track.
But hey.
In BC it's all on your record.
And insurance.
I would rather have photo-radar.
Pay the ticket.
And have the few, overworked, swamped in paperwork, cops out doing somthing usefull.
I have to agree with Boomer here. I see this as unconstitutional on a few different points.
First, if you have ever received one of these things you notice there is an affidavit on the back where somebody 'swears' it was the owner of the vehicle. I highly doubt the operator of the camera unit can identify the owner or driver and a positive identification is a required piece of the puzzle for removing reasonable doubt. I know for a fact here in Edson the person swearing the affidavit is one of our bylaw officers yet the camera units are operated by a private contractor which muddies the waters further.
Second, we DO have a right to confront our accusers and I highly doubt they can get the camera to testify with answers to any questions I might ask.
Third, the private contractor is not a sworn peace officer (hence the bylaw officer swearing the affidavit on the ticket) so therefore they are not lawfully allowed to charge you with anything. They are also paid a percentage of the take from the ticket so they are not really impartial in that they have a vested interest in handing out as many tickets as possible so one could question the validity of any calibration or reporting.
I wish you all the best luck if you persue a challenge Boomer.
Beyond that do what happened in BC....get everyone to ask for a court date instead of just paying up and clog the system so bad it costs them more than they collect. Also make sure every MLA knows if it doesn't get revoked they will not be getting re-elected.
First, if you have ever received one of these things you notice there is an affidavit on the back where somebody 'swears' it was the owner of the vehicle. I highly doubt the operator of the camera unit can identify the owner or driver and a positive identification is a required piece of the puzzle for removing reasonable doubt. I know for a fact here in Edson the person swearing the affidavit is one of our bylaw officers yet the camera units are operated by a private contractor which muddies the waters further.
Second, we DO have a right to confront our accusers and I highly doubt they can get the camera to testify with answers to any questions I might ask.
Third, the private contractor is not a sworn peace officer (hence the bylaw officer swearing the affidavit on the ticket) so therefore they are not lawfully allowed to charge you with anything. They are also paid a percentage of the take from the ticket so they are not really impartial in that they have a vested interest in handing out as many tickets as possible so one could question the validity of any calibration or reporting.
I wish you all the best luck if you persue a challenge Boomer.
Beyond that do what happened in BC....get everyone to ask for a court date instead of just paying up and clog the system so bad it costs them more than they collect. Also make sure every MLA knows if it doesn't get revoked they will not be getting re-elected.
Nick, you make some good points, that I'm assuming others have also tried in court.
Taking a step back on a purely self concerned perspective, factoring in time and
effort and cash outlay (or lost wages, etc...& time is money), I knowI'd just pay
the $130 for this to go away, as I'd lose more than that in missing 1/2 a days
wages to go to court, even if I won.
Without the Don Quixote alteristic outlook of fighting the good fight, etc...is it
worth the fight over $130?
That was a good defense at one point 'till that loophole closed years ago.
(Regarding traffic cams)
Taking a step back on a purely self concerned perspective, factoring in time and
effort and cash outlay (or lost wages, etc...& time is money), I knowI'd just pay
the $130 for this to go away, as I'd lose more than that in missing 1/2 a days
wages to go to court, even if I won.
Without the Don Quixote alteristic outlook of fighting the good fight, etc...is it
worth the fight over $130?
That was a good defense at one point 'till that loophole closed years ago.
(Regarding traffic cams)
I don't think they can swear in the photo to answer my questions either ;-)
That is what they count on....
I didn't realize there were 'loopholes' in the constitution or that they could be closed without a constitutional amendment.