Conservatives Selling Nuclear Technology To America Or France

[Liberalman]

Conservatives Selling Nuclear Technology To America Or France

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-puts-its-nuclear-pride-on-the-block/article1404807

“Sources close to the industry say it is likely an international competitor such as Paris-based Areva Group or U.S.-based Westinghouse Electric Co. will want the Candu side of AECL.”

Here we go again the Conservatives are selling another industry to foreign interests just like the Avro Arrow in the late 1950s Canada’s Candu technology will go and Canada will suffer more brain drain.

This is what the Conservatives are doing in a minority government what else are they going to do when they win a majority.

We have to remember that the Reform party was a started as a western separatist party who had the same goals as the Bloc in Quebec, which is to decentralize the government in Ottawa so separation would be easier.

 

[Cliffy]

Not sure if I agree with your take on this. I think selling off Canada's assets has more to do with international bankers, in particular the World Bank giving the orders here. But I do agree that if Harper got a majority you can kiss Canadian sovereignty goodbye. I have said it from day one, Harper is a thoroughly dangerous man. The last thing we need in Ottawa is a bean counter who can not see past the bottom line. He is a total puppet of the corporate elite and has no loyalty to Canada.

 

[TenPenny]

Here we go again the Conservatives are selling another industry to foreign interests just like the Avro Arrow in the late 1950s Canada’s Candu technology will go and Canada will suffer more brain drain.

When did the conservatives sell off Avro?

 

[#juan]

When did the conservatives sell off Avro?

"Sold out" would be a better term. This is not the CANDU but the same situation.

Avro Arrow, Part Deux

The sale of MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd., or MDA, is the Avro Arrow story all over again. With the sale of MDA, best known for the Canadarm and Radarsat, to a U.S. based arms maker, the Canadian government would be allowing publicly funded, world-leading technology to fall into foreign hands.


The parallels with the Avro Arrow story are clear - about 50 years ago, the Conservative government of the day unilaterally disbanded the Arrow project that had created the most advanced fighter plane, complete with state-of-the-art computer and weapons systems, the world had seen. The government, citing cost concerns, cancelled the program which was then sold off bit-by-bit to other countries. Many of the top engineers went on to establish the space program at NASA and were major players in the Apollo missions. As more information has become available, it has become clear that there was more to the story than costs overruns - major American political and corporate pressure was the true backdrop to the story and some even conclude a level of corruption was involved.


So we fast forward to today where the technology is different, but the story is the same. The technology for sale at MDA is world-leading and a foothold for Canada in the space industry. Further, it is a matter of national security and sovereignty where we control the hi-tech tools to monitor our territory. If this sale goes through, the assets would be controlled by an American company, subject to U.S. laws on national security that could shut out Canadian access to these tools of our national interest was put up against America’s.


In fact, while the immediate party politics are playing out, we likely are at the beginning of this story. Given the Conservatives’ flexible moral compass on issues of national integrity, who is to say that corruption may not creep its way into the current transaction. Heck, if Harper and the boys were willing to bribe a M.P. dying of cancer just to score political points, I don’t think they would blink an eye at possible favours being traded in order to approve the MDA sale.


From a cost-benefit point of view, at $1.3 billion, the world-leading satellite technology is a bargain when compared to the value it will return in the years ahead. What possible reason would any sane government have to give away a national asset like this? What possible benefit to Canada would this sale provide? How will this advance our ability as a nation to protect and monitor ourselves?
Evidently, the federal government knows it needs damn good answers to these questions and is taking an extra 30 days before it makes a decision on the sale of MDA. Stay tuned, this could be Prime Minister Harper’s ultimate undoing.

 

[countryboy]

When did the conservatives sell off Avro?

Kindly refrain from clouding the rhetoric with facts. :smile:

 

[Liberalman]

When did the conservatives sell off Avro?

Sorry the Conservatives killed the Avro Arrow Project

 

[TenPenny]

Sorry the Conservatives killed the Avro Arrow Project

Which is slightly different.

 

[Ron in Regina]

We have to remember that the Reform party was a started as a western separatist party who had the same goals as the Bloc in Quebec, which is to decentralize the government in Ottawa so separation would be easier.

Actually...no.

Reform Party of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AnnaG]

lol
Perhaps the topic title should have said, "How many goofy mistakes can I make in one post"

 

[weaselwords]

The only difference is that "Avro" hung around to be purchased by Boering thru McDonnell Douglas & Hawker Siddley only to be shut down , have the buildings razed and land sold off.
With AECL supposedly the new design Candus are too expensive to design & build according to the Ontario govt that is why they openned bidding to international mfrs. Does this the feds know something more than Ont about Candu design & build cost than others, how else could they be shopping the product around unless they knew cost were lower than advertised or does Westinghouse just want to get another player off the street.

 

[TenPenny]

Based on AECL's track record, they can't estimate, or schedule, worth dick.

 

[DurkaDurka]

We haven't sold a nuclear reactor in years, all our technology has already been misappropriated by India. Get rid of it.

 

[darkbeaver]

Anyone can build a reactor, what's the big deal?

 

[Liberalman]

Actually...no.

Reform Party of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Considering that Wikipedia is edited by Reform/Conservative members it’s not that trustworthy besides I was closer to the Progressive Conservatives in that time period.

At that time I remember that when the western PC members from Manitoba to the west coast were jumping ship to hop on the Reform bandwagon all because Brian Mulroney dared to redo the National Energy Program.

The Reform wannabes in Ontario had to twist the Reform founder and leader Preston Manning’s arm to come east so he came but he did not put any candidates in Quebec in the first federal election, this is why the Reform/Conservatives will never get a majority.

The Reform party also decided to not run provincially I know this because I phoned Reform’s Calgary office before Mike Harris got elected in Ontario and they told me that they will not run provincially but told me to vote for the Conservatives because they got Reform team working with them.

If you look at Ralph Klein and Mike Harris governments they were virtually identical.

Later I started to follow Alberta politics just to see what was in store for Ontario.

The people of Ontario voted for a Progressive Conservative government and ended up with a Reform government that closed hospitals in an era when more people were coming into the province, which increased the waiting time in the emergency rooms and people died.

With a Conservative government people die and they really don’t care.

 

[Avro]

Which is slightly different.

Not really, where do you think all those bright minds who worked on the Avro project went?

....and with them any future Canada had in being a dominent player in aerospace.

If you want to defend the cons do it without getting in a fight about semantics, it's a red herring and really annoying.

 

[pgs]

Considering that Wikipedia is edited by Reform/Conservative members it’s not that trustworthy besides I was closer to the Progressive Conservatives in that time period.

At that time I remember that when the western PC members from Manitoba to the west coast were jumping ship to hop on the Reform bandwagon all because Brian Mulroney dared to redo the National Energy Program.

The Reform wannabes in Ontario had to twist the Reform founder and leader Preston Manning’s arm to come east so he came but he did not put any candidates in Quebec in the first federal election, this is why the Reform/Conservatives will never get a majority.

The Reform party also decided to not run provincially I know this because I phoned Reform’s Calgary office before Mike Harris got elected in Ontario and they told me that they will not run provincially but told me to vote for the Conservatives because they got Reform team working with them.

If you look at Ralph Klein and Mike Harris governments they were virtually identical.

Later I started to follow Alberta politics just to see what was in store for Ontario.

The people of Ontario voted for a Progressive Conservative government and ended up with a Reform government that closed hospitals in an era when more people were coming into the province, which increased the waiting time in the emergency rooms and people died.

With a Conservative government people die and they really don’t care.

So now you have McQuinty,seems fair.

 

[TenPenny]

Not really, where do you think all those bright minds who worked on the Avro project went?

....and with them any future Canada had in being a dominent player in aerospace.

If you want to defend the cons do it without getting in a fight about semantics, it's a red herring and really annoying.

What is annoying is making statements that are completely untrue to bolster an argument.

If you have a point, make it with facts, not utter bull****.

I'm not defending a government, I'm pointing out errors in fact.

 

[Avro]

What is annoying is making statements that are completely untrue to bolster an argument.

If you have a point, make it with facts, not utter bull****.

I'm not defending a government, I'm pointing out errors in fact.

Still semantics, either way what Deif did was a huge mistake.

 

[TenPenny]

Still semantics, either way what Deif did was a huge mistake.

Oh, I agree that it was a mistake. But it doesn't help to claim that the Canadian Government sold off Boeing to the Rockefellers, and therefore we had to bail out GM.

 

[petros]

“Sources close to the industry say it is likely an international competitor such as Paris-based Areva Group or U.S.-based Westinghouse Electric Co. will want the Candu side of AECL.”


LMAO...Areva? Areva is broke.