Conservative senator defends 'well-intentioned' residential school system

Durry

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wow, who knew one person could be so willingly ignorant and wrong about what has been well documented.

your inability to understand that there are valid cultures completely different then your own is in full evidence.


Like there were positive outcomes from the Nazi concentration camps?

sure, go ahead. Try. Deny that a whole community of human beings who were denied their identity and their right to self determination, were killed, starved, beaten and sexually abused, was a good thing.../sarcasm
Where is the story about how my white Forfathers strived, froze, fought and died building this great country that we now have?? And how the natives benefitted

Who is denying what? You've gone off on your own little tangent I've noticed. What are you talking about?

If your referring to me, well if you want news that is news and not only Luberal news, you will have to look at something besides CBC.

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White_Unifier

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exceptional? as in unusual and NOT typical.

There are cases where slaves were treated well too, but what does that really mean?

True. Even if they had all been treated well otherwise, just the principle of forcing them apart from their parents to assimilate them amounts to cultural genocide.

Those that were well treated were the norm . Yes they were forced to were uniforms the horror . They through out my lice infected furs and blankets and made me wear clean underwear . The horror .

Wearing uniforms was the least of their worries. How about decent food?
 

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Where is the story about how my white Forfathers strived, froze, fought and died building this great country that we now have?? And how the natives benefitted

in deed. where? Were they forced? Were they starved intentionally?

Do share.

Who is denying what? You've gone off on your own little tangent I've noticed. What are you talking about?

read PGS thread about how the natives had it good in the residential. Not my tangent really.

not that I don't do tangents....I do. This is not one of those cases..

although, I could probably go off on a tengent right now...but I haven't got anything I want to tangent about...

At least not that I can think of at this precise moment. Course the days not over and I am due for another cup of coffee...so hang on, let me get my coffee and...continue on with this tangent...see? told ya, I do do tangents...

k, coffee...
 

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I think this has gone on for too long.

Like many other world events, the Nazis, nuking the Japanese, the head tax, nations slaughtering others around the globe, one can only apologize once. And frankly, I think apologies aren't always the correct thing to do in all instances. What was correct or acceptable in a bygone time, is not the responsibility of today's generation.

Do we apologize for bringing smallpox to North America? How about the Brits? How many French, Spanish and other nation's ships did they sink in the various wars? Thousands drowned or were blown to pieces.

Should the Italians apologize because Mussolini was born in Italy? After all, he did some nasty things when he was head of the government. He was elected by the people. Perhaps the Italians owe me and others continual, lengthy apologies and financial compensation for putting him into office.

How about those WWII Japanese internment camps in the US? Most of the detainees were US citizens. They must be owed something!

It's fair to say that almost every nation or ethnic group has picked on, attacked, killed or fought with other groups. Perhaps the UN can form a committee to create a list of the countries who, since the beginning of recorded history, were the meanest, most destructive on the planet. The UN can then chase after them for some kind of contemporary compensation.

Or perhaps we can simply say, yep, history is what it is. Humans are a mean spirited bunch!
 
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The concept of residential schools was good. What was bad was that they weren't monitored regularly to ensure that the staff were the kind of people they should have been. When the care of children is in the hands of strangers, the 'strangers' have to be carefully chosen to be of good character and to have the necessary traits to be kind and nurturing. Apparently this is where the deal went wrong.
There is no other way for kids from remote, isolated reservations to get an education that will enable them to succeed in mainstream society except for them to attend schools far from their homes.
There have been enough cases of child abuse among day cares, children's groups and churches to show that the residential schools were probably no worse than what has taken place right under our noses.
 

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I have no need to apologize to Aboriginals for residential schools, Japan for being nuked, the Irish for being starved, the Africans for being colonized or for the Jews being enslaved in Egypt. I also have no desire to be apologized to for any historical wrongs against my family or culture
 

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The concept of residential schools was good. What was bad was that they weren't monitored regularly to ensure that the staff were the kind of people they should have been. When the care of children is in the hands of strangers, the 'strangers' have to be carefully chosen to be of good character and to have the necessary traits to be kind and nurturing. Apparently this is where the deal went wrong.
There is no other way for kids from remote, isolated reservations to get an education that will enable them to succeed in mainstream society except for them to attend schools far from their homes.
There have been enough cases of child abuse among day cares, children's groups and churches to show that the residential schools were probably no worse than what has taken place right under our noses.

So having the RCMP rip kids out of their parents' arms under threat of imprisonment if the parents resisted to have them go to residential schools in a foreign language sometimes for years on end and sometimes with the kids returning home and not even being able to communicate with their parents was a good concept?
 

Durry

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I have a thing with East Indians, I think if anybody owes Canadians an apology, it's the East Indians for the Air India affair.
We let these people into our country but they chose to bring their cultural and political garbage with them and then they chose not to cooperate with our Police forces to address their garbage issue. They chose to keep it to themselves.

And then after the bombing, they blamed and sued the Candians for not looking after them.

This is like me coming to your house with a sore throat and then later suing you for me getting phenomenon because you did not look after me.
Now how stupid is this??
 

White_Unifier

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I have a thing with East Indians, I think if anybody owes Canadians an apology, it's the East Indians for the Air India affair.
We let these people into our country but they chose to bring their cultural and political garbage with them and then they chose not to cooperate with our Police forces to address their garbage issue. They chose to keep it to themselves.

And then after the bombing, they blamed and sued the Candians for not looking after them.

This is like me coming to your house with a sore throat and then later suing you for me getting phenomenon because you did not look after me.
Now how stupid is this??

The Government of India was behind this attack. First I hear of that.
 

Durry

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The Government of India was behind this attack. First I hear of that.
And just where is that statement made???
You no read well Dude?? Fool!!

So having the RCMP rip kids out of their parents' arms under threat of imprisonment if the parents resisted to have them go to residential schools in a foreign language sometimes for years on end and sometimes with the kids returning home and not even being able to communicate with their parents was a good concept?

Someone with a small brain like yours thinks the Indians were living a glorious life before the Whiteman came.
When in fact they were living a life of hell, their mortality rates for kids were about 80%, a tribe of 300 Indians would often die of starvation and freezing etc etc
Better lean a few things Dude.
 

White_Unifier

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And just where is that statement made???
You no read well Dude?? Fool!!



Someone with a small brain like yours thinks the Indians were living a glorious life before the Whiteman came.
When in fact they were living a life of hell, their mortality rates for kids were about 80%, a tribe of 300 Indians would often die of starvation and freezing etc etc
Better lean a few things Dude.

They were aware of that. That's why they negotiated treaties that guaranteed a right to education in exchange for use of their land. They kept their side of the bargain. But never did they expect residential schools when they wanted education not abuse assimilation and genocide. We purposely built the schools as far from their homes as possible.
 

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So having the RCMP rip kids out of their parents' arms under threat of imprisonment if the parents resisted to have them go to residential schools in a foreign language sometimes for years on end and sometimes with the kids returning home and not even being able to communicate with their parents was a good concept?

Basically yes. The devel of course is in the details. The only residential school I am familiar with was right in the middle of a rez. And from what I have read some chiefs did indeed want the kids to go to a white mans school.
The real problem was letting cults run the schools.
 

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wow, who knew one person could be so willingly ignorant and wrong about what has been well documented.



your inability to understand that there are valid cultures completely different then your own is in full evidence.



Like there were positive outcomes from the Nazi concentration camps?

sure, go ahead. Try. Deny that a whole community of human beings who were denied their identity and their right to self determination, were killed, starved, beaten and sexually abused, was a good thing.../sarcasm
Not at all . I do not speak with forked tongue .

The concept of residential schools was good. What was bad was that they weren't monitored regularly to ensure that the staff were the kind of people they should have been. When the care of children is in the hands of strangers, the 'strangers' have to be carefully chosen to be of good character and to have the necessary traits to be kind and nurturing. Apparently this is where the deal went wrong.
There is no other way for kids from remote, isolated reservations to get an education that will enable them to succeed in mainstream society except for them to attend schools far from their homes.
There have been enough cases of child abuse among day cares, children's groups and churches to show that the residential schools were probably no worse than what has taken place right under our noses.
Boy scout troops , cadets , baseball and other sports , remember James . Yikes of course there were sexual predators in some residential schools , Catholic residential schools , British Private schools and anywhere else perverts can peddle their wares . That's what perverts do . The low hanging fruit . The same reason all you big strong tough internet warriors go for the low hanging fruit . Its easy .

I have no need to apologize to Aboriginals for residential schools, Japan for being nuked, the Irish for being starved, the Africans for being colonized or for the Jews being enslaved in Egypt. I also have no desire to be apologized to for any historical wrongs against my family or culture
That might be the first and only intelligent thing I have ever seen you post .
 

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So having the RCMP rip kids out of their parents' arms under threat of imprisonment if the parents resisted to have them go to residential schools in a foreign language sometimes for years on end and sometimes with the kids returning home and not even being able to communicate with their parents was a good concept?
When and where did that happen ?
 

pgs

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Basically yes. The devel of course is in the details. The only residential school I am familiar with was right in the middle of a rez. And from what I have read some chiefs did indeed want the kids to go to a white mans school.
The real problem was letting cults run the schools.
Check out Alert Bay right down the road from their famous totem poles , smack dab in the middle of town is the residential school . Check out Point Grey smack dab in the middle of Dunbar St Georges Residential school ( populated by the British upper crust )The poor boys from out of town were subject to possible problems , rich or poor the problems have always been the same . Some people prey on children and they know where and how to do it .