Conrad Black to be released from prison this week

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You're putting Mr. Black in the same category as Omar Khadr? Interesting, but inaccurate.

While I have no love for Mr. Black and enjoyed his tumble from power, it's too much of an insult to Mr. Black to be lumped with that scum of the earth.

In the end, Black is simply the poster boy for a much larger issue, this being; What kind of society is it that we wish to promote in Canada? That said, I believe that this is the perfect venue to discuss the underlying principle here.

So, for your comfort, I will omit Khadr from the equation and focus exclusively on Black (as far as identifying a personality is concerned).

Despite Black's criminal past, do we (as Canadians) refuse him citizenship despite the potential benefits that he brings, and/or, do we focus our efforts on promoting individuals that may or may not bring any direct and immediate benefit to Canadian society?

Based upon the current process, his citizenship would be rejected due to the criminal record. He can get that waived by a writ of some sort (he would file it and pay the fee and it works its way up Immigration heirarchy). Once approved, it means that Canada no longer cares about the offence and the person can cross the border, apply for landed immigrant status or citizenship. Without that, he can't even come to visit Niagra Falls (Canadian side) as he will be turned away at the border.
 

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He wants to return to Canada - a foreign nation? Does he have any saleabe skills? Can he speak either official language? Will he bring underlings with him? Would he be called Mr. Black? Would he still shill for Conservatives?

On the contrary - He has been slamming the Cons and Harper for heading donn the same Prison road the US is retreating from.
 

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He was released pending appeal, his appeal was denied, back to jail.

He won on 2 charges during the second hearing in front of the same judge - she found him guilty on the other charge.

And that sums up the US justice System - Throw in as many charges as possible. Many plea bargain for a lesser offense- He did not.

What he was found guilty of was pretty well much BS.

But as he is rich and can be pompous people judged him on those qualities - Not the quality of the evidence - Ah the glory of the public hanging.
 

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What he was found guilty of was pretty well much BS......
The quote as posted is certainly the most idiotic garbage posted here in a week-which is really saying something.


Black is a lying thieving bastard-a proved liar and thief going back to when he was expelled from college for selling grades.
 

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The quote as posted is certainly the most idiotic garbage posted here in a week-which is really saying something.


Black is a lying thieving bastard-a proved liar and thief going back to when he was expelled from college for selling grades.

I have one question Bill. Are you sure?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/29/conrad-black-to-be-released-from-us-prison-this-week/

He was forced out of the global media empire he’d built out of his Toronto offices in 2003 after shareholders accused him of engaging in a $500 million “corporate kleptocracy.”

U.S. prosecutors charged Black and his associates with skimming some $60-million from his global newspaper empire between 1999 and 2001.

They were ultimately convicted of stealing $6.1 million by awarding themselves tax-free bonuses from newspaper sell-offs without the approval of the board of the Hollinger holding company.

He served 29 months of a 78-month sentence when the U.S. Supreme Court tossed out the “honest services” law that had formed the basis of his 2007 conviction, and was released in 2010 while his case was reexamined by the courts

He succeeded in shedding two more counts for which he was originally convicted. That brought the total fraud down to $600,000, of which Black received less than half.

The flamboyant newspaper baron and British Lord — who once counted politicians and pop stars among his entourage — used to run the world’s third largest media empire, with flagship titles that included Britain’s The Daily Telegraph, the Chicago Sun-Times, the National Post, the Jerusalem Post and the Sydney Morning Herald.

He has launched several lawsuits in Ontario courts starting in 2004 over comments made on Hollinger International’s U.S. website and in press releases about alleged fraud.
 
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What about Dominion Stores and the pension fund?

Dominion pension dispute


Conrad Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1984, Black withdrew over $56 million from the Dominion workers' pension plan surplus without consulting plan members. The firm said it considered the surplus the rightful property of the employer (Dominion Stores Ltd.). The Dominion Union complained, a public outcry ensued, and the case went to court. The Supreme Court of Ontario ruled against the company, and ordered the company to return the money to the pension fund, claiming that though the most recent language in the plan suggested the employer had ownership of the surplus, the original intention was to keep the surplus in the plan to increase members' benefits.[28] Eventually, the pension dispute was settled in equal shares between the shareholders and the plan members.[13]


Fate of Hollinger

The Hollinger group of companies was effectively dismantled as a result of the various lawsuits it faced. The costs incurred to Hollinger International through the investigation of Black and his associates climbed to over US $200 million, leading some observers, such as The Economist, to note its lack of proportion to the charges.[31] A significant portion of the sums paid by Hollinger International went to Richard Breeden, the lead investigator, who was paid approximately $100,000 per week.[24] Since Black was forced to resign from the board of Hollinger, many of Hollinger International’s assets have been sold at prices significantly lower than those contemplated in deals negotiated but not consummated while Black was with the company.[32] In the early 2000s, Black had accurately anticipated the decline in profitability of print media assets and sought to divest those types of assets held by Hollinger before their value was irrevocably diminished.[32]
 

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He won on 2 charges during the second hearing in front of the same judge - she found him guilty on the other charge.

And that sums up the US justice System - Throw in as many charges as possible. Many plea bargain for a lesser offense- He did not.

What he was found guilty of was pretty well much BS.

But as he is rich and can be pompous people judged him on those qualities - Not the quality of the evidence - Ah the glory of the public hanging.

Interesting legal system where the judge that found him guilty can hear the appeal.
Its been a while but I don't recall him breaking any laws in Canada or the one he got stuck with being against the law in Canada. There are thousands of immigrants that broke the "law" where they came from.
Our government sold out Marc Emmery. Lets see if they can partly redeem themselves this time.
 

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Interesting legal system where the judge that found him guilty can hear the appeal.
In some countries the judge also does the investigation-hard for us to understand but it works.


Its been a while but I don't recall him breaking any laws in Canada or the one he got stuck with being against the law in Canada.
Disobeying a court order is against the law here just as anywhere else.

Our government sold out Marc Emmery. Lets see if they can partly redeem themselves this time.
Now you're putting Black in the same post as a chronic drug user/perennial loser?

OK there's some resemblance I grant you that.