No, he didn't.
Do you know why? Because marriage requires conditions like the agreement of the woman by her free will to get married, and such agreement cannot be justified unless she is adult.
And yes, he was illiterate.
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No, he didn't.
Do you know why? Because marriage requires conditions like the agreement of the woman by her free will to get married, and such agreement cannot be justified unless she is adult.
And yes, he was illiterate.
Selfsame is the middle east equivalent of a Jehovah witness and any time you try to have an intelligent interaction with him it's an excuse for him to preach and quote one or more quran verse......
he only deserves these
he only deserves these
Who says he was illiterate? al Hilly? You?
- Mohammed and the Birth of Islam - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
After he turned 12, he had contact with a myriad of people, did business with them, etc. He married a wealthy woman. He learned some Judaiesm and Christianity. After all that, YOU say he was illiterate? I cannot find a single thing that suggests that Mohammed was illiterate. I think any idea that he was illiterate is improbable and may even be a lie.
No free woman or woman in her right mind would get married under the conditions you suggest. So the ones that DO marry, must be either insane or brainwashed.
That is nonsense.
Please post the OT and NT verse(s) which support this, gerry.
In which biblical law category do you place divorce:
1) ceremonial law?
2) civil law?
3) moral law?
you're either having dialogue with a tree stump, or a person reading a script. Either way it's a one way convo.
Moreover, God - be glorified - stated in the Quran that the divorced woman has her due rights:
Quran 2: 242-243, which mean:
{242. A fair provision a is due for divorced women:
[This is] a duty for those who ward off [God's punishment by obeying Him.]
243. As such b does God expound to you His revelations; in order that you may use your minds. c}
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a Either a due payment: the Nafaqa, (for three months: the legally prescribed 'Idda') – is given to the wives, who were sexually contacted;
or a sum of money – is given to the wives who have not been sexually contacted.
b i.e. as did We explain, about the statements of the divorce and the Idda, to the people of the Bible before you; as such does God explain to you ..
c i.e. in order that your minds will be complete; because the instinctive mind will be complemented by the acquired knowledge.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
It had been known to people at his time that he: Mohammed did not know the reading and writing.
And it is stated also in the Quran 29: 48
The reason for revealing the following aya:
[The Prophet – salam to him – wished that he would know the writing in order to write the Quran by his own hand, rather than his companions, to preserve it against alteration; therefore, this aya was revealed:]
{48. You [Mohammed] were not [able] to read any book before [the Quran] a, nor to write it with your right hand b; for then those who follow falsehood would have doubted.
49. But [the Quran] is evident revelations in the hearts of those who have been given knowledge c, and none deny Our revelations [by seeking to alter Our revelations] save wrong-doers d.}
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a i.e. We have not let you read any book before the Quran, neither the Torah, nor the Gospel nor any other book.
b i.e. you could not write it with your right hand, because you have not learnt the writing, and this has been according to Our will, for had you known the writing and reading, then those following the falsehood would have found some means to insert doubt in the hearts of people, in order to bar them from believing in you; and for this reason, We have taught you neither the writing nor the reading of books.
c It means: Do not fear that some of the Quran may be altered because your companions, who have been given knowledge, have known it by heart, so don’t worry for that.
d So, in the Next Life, We will take revenge on every wrong-doer.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
In the future and in the Next Life, you will know who is the liar: I or you.
Quran 2: 242-243, which mean:
{242. A fair provision a is due for divorced women:
[This is] a duty for those who ward off [God's punishment by obeying Him.]
243. As such b does God expound to you His revelations; in order that you may use your minds. c}
........................................................
a Either a due payment: the Nafaqa, (for three months: the legally prescribed 'Idda') – is given to the wives, who were sexually contacted;
or a sum of money – is given to the wives who have not been sexually contacted.
b i.e. as did We explain, about the statements of the divorce and the Idda, to the people of the Bible before you; as such does God explain to you ..
c i.e. in order that your minds will be complete; because the instinctive mind will be complemented by the acquired knowledge.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
It had been known to people at his time that he: Mohammed did not know the reading and writing.
And it is stated also in the Quran 29: 48
The reason for revealing the following aya:
[The Prophet – salam to him – wished that he would know the writing in order to write the Quran by his own hand, rather than his companions, to preserve it against alteration; therefore, this aya was revealed:]
{48. You [Mohammed] were not [able] to read any book before [the Quran] a, nor to write it with your right hand b; for then those who follow falsehood would have doubted.
49. But [the Quran] is evident revelations in the hearts of those who have been given knowledge c, and none deny Our revelations [by seeking to alter Our revelations] save wrong-doers d.}
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a i.e. We have not let you read any book before the Quran, neither the Torah, nor the Gospel nor any other book.
b i.e. you could not write it with your right hand, because you have not learnt the writing, and this has been according to Our will, for had you known the writing and reading, then those following the falsehood would have found some means to insert doubt in the hearts of people, in order to bar them from believing in you; and for this reason, We have taught you neither the writing nor the reading of books.
c It means: Do not fear that some of the Quran may be altered because your companions, who have been given knowledge, have known it by heart, so don’t worry for that.
d So, in the Next Life, We will take revenge on every wrong-doer.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
In the future and in the Next Life, you will know who is the liar: I or you.
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Looking to the Quran for verification of a comment in the Quran is like looking in a Mother Goose's fairy tale book for verification of "Jack's Mother" mounting a goose and flying to the moon.
I don't care what your Quran says, there is nothing outside of the Quran that will support what it says. You might as well believe in the truth of Mother Goose tales.
The TRUTH is that the Quran was never written with the intention of showing people that a god existed. It was written to be "evidence" that the author was a true prophet rather than a scam artist. Mohammed had a "vision" so people called him a prophet. I have visions every freakin day, most of the time in my sleep even. Big deal. I call it imagination and dreaming.
Your Quran is proof of exactly nothing except some poor stupid fool's lust for recognition. And the proof of this is the amount of scientific mistakes in the Quran. One of the most obvious ones is geocentrism . One of the funniest ones is the statement that the sun is a flat disk. Another funny one is that the sky is held up by invisible pillars. It takes a special and impressive brand of ignorance to believe that nonsense.
Looking to the Quran for verification of a comment in the Quran is like looking in a Mother Goose's fairy tale book for verification of "Jack's Mother" mounting a goose and flying to the moon.
I don't care what your Quran says, there is nothing outside of the Quran that will support what it says. You might as well believe in the truth of Mother Goose tales.
The TRUTH is that the Quran was never written with the intention of showing people that a god existed. It was written to be "evidence" that the author was a true prophet rather than a scam artist. Mohammed had a "vision" so people called him a prophet. I have visions every freakin day, most of the time in my sleep even. Big deal. I call it imagination and dreaming.
Your Quran is proof of exactly nothing except some poor stupid fool's lust for recognition. And the proof of this is the amount of scientific mistakes in the Quran. One of the most obvious ones is geocentrism . One of the funniest ones is the statement that the sun is a flat disk. Another funny one is that the sky is held up by invisible pillars. It takes a special and impressive brand of ignorance to believe that nonsense.
Not a whole lot different than Htz & Motar using the bible to justify their belief that the bible is the word of god.
Yeah. Same idea except the Bible was written by a shipload of "prophets". lol
Oh, oh, oh, but the Bible says it is the truth. And the Quran says it is the truth. And Tuesday Lobsang Rampa (AKA Cyril Henry Hoskins) would swear on his "third eye" he was truthful all his life.
Oh, oh, oh, but the Bible says it is the truth. And the Quran says it is the truth. And Tuesday Lobsang Rampa (AKA Cyril Henry Hoskins) would swear on his "third eye" he was truthful all his life.
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Get a job Selfsame. Make some cash and get your a$$ out there and enjoy your life. Stop trying to convert everyone to your religion as in the end you'll find your efforts fruitless and you will have spent precious time on a load of bullshyt. It's one thing to be spiritual. Quite another thing to be insane. Wake the fvck up.
There now how do you like shyt being crammed down your throat
And stop treating the opposite sex as inferior to men because after listening to your shyt I'm thinking just the opposite is true
There now how do you like shyt being crammed down your throat
And stop treating the opposite sex as inferior to men because after listening to your shyt I'm thinking just the opposite is true
Many members here react like the reaction of Pharaoh and his people towards Moses the messenger of God.
Moses brought to them the staff that became a snake, and he drew his hand from under his armpit, and it became white and radiant without disease.
They refused to believe and said: This is only magic.
Then it was proved not magic.
And they did not believe.
He told them to release the sons of Israel that he might took out of Egypt, but they refused.
He told them the plagues will come on you:
The plagues came on them: each plague was worse and harder than the previous one and they refused to believe or to release the sons of Israel that he might take them out of the slavery to another country .. and even they refused.
So now, you react in the same way as Pharaoh and his people: whatever subject about the Quran, they do not consider and do not read and do not think about it.
But you keep to your mockery and disregard and insisting; one takes the words of the topic and distort them and repost them, another one without reading carefully would say: not correct. Others will post some porn or impolite pictures.
While it is only one time will be enough as an argument before God that this person has been warned of his idolatry and disbelief.
My intention is to convey the Quran interpretation to all people [specially the non-Arab], as much as I can.
I mean: this is serious, because by now all of you have been warned against the atheism, the enthusiasm about Jesus and the saints, and against the idolatry,
and your outcome [by God not by me, so that none may consider this as a personal threat]; so your consequences will be very bad.
None of you may say: I did not know this, I was not aware of the Quran nor of the 'exclusive devotion to God' nor of the purity and nobility of Prophet Mohammed.
Moses brought to them the staff that became a snake, and he drew his hand from under his armpit, and it became white and radiant without disease.
They refused to believe and said: This is only magic.
Then it was proved not magic.
And they did not believe.
He told them to release the sons of Israel that he might took out of Egypt, but they refused.
He told them the plagues will come on you:
The plagues came on them: each plague was worse and harder than the previous one and they refused to believe or to release the sons of Israel that he might take them out of the slavery to another country .. and even they refused.
So now, you react in the same way as Pharaoh and his people: whatever subject about the Quran, they do not consider and do not read and do not think about it.
But you keep to your mockery and disregard and insisting; one takes the words of the topic and distort them and repost them, another one without reading carefully would say: not correct. Others will post some porn or impolite pictures.
While it is only one time will be enough as an argument before God that this person has been warned of his idolatry and disbelief.
My intention is to convey the Quran interpretation to all people [specially the non-Arab], as much as I can.
I mean: this is serious, because by now all of you have been warned against the atheism, the enthusiasm about Jesus and the saints, and against the idolatry,
and your outcome [by God not by me, so that none may consider this as a personal threat]; so your consequences will be very bad.
None of you may say: I did not know this, I was not aware of the Quran nor of the 'exclusive devotion to God' nor of the purity and nobility of Prophet Mohammed.
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Selfsame, your point has been made. You're attempt to save those you could has been made.
Is there any other topics you're interested in other then religious? Can we get you to discuss some other stuff?
You have to have more to you then just religious fervour.
Sorry but all religions are cults. If you base your decisions and lifestyle on the words of another who claims they speak for an imaginary entity you are fully indoctrinated into whichever cult you have chosen. You need only have faith in yourself to be the best person you can be and when you give that up to follow the rules set forth by any organization designed with the sole purpose of controlling the masses you forfeit your own identity and ability for rational thought thereby becoming merely a drone within cult.
By definition ALL religions are cults....
noun
1.
a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers:
the physical fitness cult.
3.
the object of such devotion.
4.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.
Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Some couples just grow apart . Not justifying anything but that's the way it is sometimes. It's a heart wrencher especially for the kids. But if one or both become miserable being with each other, there's no sense in being married anymore . I cannot conceive a creator wanting to maintain the torment of that situation because of some legalistic bullshyt written down by self appointed know it alls pretending to speak for god. Somewhere along the line, common sense needs to come into play.