Concern grows over Bears

[CUBert]

Giving you thumbs down is more mentally stimulating than reading your posts.

 

[CDNBear]

Giving you thumbs down is more mentally stimulating than reading your posts.

Well you'd have to have an ability to comprehend English fully to start, so I can understand why pushing buttons is far more stimulating to you.

Kind of like a Fisher Price toy for people with comprehension issues and an inability to formulate a reasoned thought.

 

[CUBert]

My brain cells are feeling suicidal as I read your moronic posts

 

[CDNBear]

My brain cells are feeling suicidal as I read your moronic posts

Ya, I would imagine that would be a normal response to your inability to comprehend what's being said.

You should seek help for that.

 

[DaSleeper]

Hey Cubert: If you think so highly of the quran.....then why do you think Gays and Lesbians should be allowed to marry.....It's against the quran.....If its wrong there it can be wrong anywhere.....

 

[CDNBear]

Post #1431081 - Re: Concern grows over Bears Bad CUBert
Post #1431083 - Re: Concern grows over Bears Bad CUBert
LOL, more of cubby's superior debate skills.

 

[Cliffy]

David Susuki has been claiming we are overpopulated for years but he doesn't seem eager to lead the way out.

Bears are only over populated where human development has encroached on their territory. People are too stupid to keep their garbage sealed properly and pick their fruit trees before the bears smell the ripened fruit and come in to feast. What is really funny and sad is a place like New Denver, the hot bed of environmentalists (Valhalla Wilderness Society) more bears get killed every year because people just let their fruit fall to the ground. The human population is only around 400 but about 35 bears get killed every year right in town. The Wildlife Branch won't even let people eat problem bears. You can't even keep a deer that jumps out in front of your vehicle and wrecks your car. I hate seeing meat go to waste, if even for dog food.

 

[CDNBear]

Bears are only over populated where human development has encroached on their territory.

Well Cliffy, what do you propose? Should we all pack up and move under a small bubble in Tdot?

People are too stupid to keep their garbage sealed properly and pick their fruit trees before the bears smell the ripened fruit and come in to feast.

In an area like Aurora, the biggest threat to garbage, was the odd coon, the fruit trees were attacked by squirrels.

The Bears simply weren't there, when the development of the farmland began.

We are where we are Cliffy, turning the clocks back a couple hundred years, isn't going to happen. No matter how stupid you think it is.

The best solution is a controlled spring hunt.

What is really funny and sad is a place like New Denver, the hot bed of environmentalists (Valhalla Wilderness Society) more bears get killed every year because people just let their fruit fall to the ground. The human population is only around 400 but about 35 bears get killed every year right in town.

There should be a town ordinance.

The Wildlife Branch won't even let people eat problem bears. You can't even keep a deer that jumps out in front of your vehicle and wrecks your car. I hate seeing meat go to waste, if even for dog food.

They put an end to that in this area too, although you can keep Deer from a collision, they don't have it butchered and given to food banks anymore. To many litigious assholes.

 

[Cliffy]

I can't say that I disagree with the spring hunt. But people have to realize that most bear problems are caused by people. There is a way to live in peace with bears but people get all bent out of shape for nothing (most of the time) when they see bears. Fear is caused by ignorance and is the cause of most of the unnecessary deaths on both sides.

 

[Machjo]

Concern grows over bears

At least 15 incidents reported in Georgina this spring

Bears afoot in Georgina are leaving many residents pregnant with paws for thought.

At least 15 bear sightings in Keswick and Sutton have been reported since May 8, which has altered the way many residents are going about their everyday lives and wondering what, if anything, is being done.

While most people have the same soft spot for bears that Winnie the Pooh has for honey, there are concerns about what to do if roaming bears do more than forage for food and threaten human safety.

Const. Rebecca Boyd of York Regional Police media relations said yesterday police would “respond right away” in an emergency situation and are prepared to do “what is necessary” using the resources at hand to contain the problem.

Shooting a threatening bear would depend on the circumstances of the encounter, the perceived threat to human life and is considered a last resort.

“No one would be in a hurry or rush to do something that may cause unnecessary injury to either the bear or people,” she said, adding that no incidences with bears other than sightings have been reported to police to date.

She advised local residents as well as any visitors to parks or woodland areas to be educated and aware of what to do in the event of an encounter with a bear, especially in rural areas where the likelihood of encounters is increased.

While members of the Bear Wise Program with the Ministry of Natural Resources are trained in trap and transfer and removal procedures, the ministry would have to be called in first by police.

But John Almond, an area supervisor with the Natural Resources Ministry office in Aurora, says bears are generally timid animals that are rarely a public safety threat. The only reason bears would be hanging around would be for food.

He recommends people remove all food attractants including birdfeeders, pet food and open blue boxes, to prevent bears foraging on your property, which he thinks people are doing since the last reported sighting was this past Saturday, Mr. Almond said.

In 90 per cent of cases, it is because there is a food source, he added. While there is no way to tell if the sightings represent different bears, he suggested the majority of sightings are likely of the same one.

But residents like David and Carolina Weir of Pefferlaw are, for the moment, keeping their four daughters and two dogs close to home, away from woodland areas and behind the fence after they spotted a medium-sized black bear in their back yard while having dinner.
“Like my daughters, I thought he was cute, too, but only from the inside,” said Mrs. Weir, adding that neither she nor her husband, who has lived in Pefferlaw in the same house on Pefferlaw Road for 52 years, has ever seen a bear before.

After roughing up the Weir’s blue boxes at the side of the house, the hungry bruin took some empty cans of ham for a picnic of sorts on the front lawn.

Apparently, the bear didn’t want to share, since he headed off in a south-easterly direction toward the river after several motorists stopped their cars to take a look.

Other recent sightings were reported in the adjacent subdivision, which is bordered by a forested area between Pefferlaw Road and Durham Road 23, as well as in the Park Road and Hwy. 48 area in Sutton.

Most report a medium-sized omnivore, but reports from late last week suggest at least one bear cub out on the loose.

While the recent sightings are higher than usual from the Georgina area, which is home to a population of black bears in the hundreds compared to hot spots like Sudbury, Sault Ste Marie and Parry Sound with numbers in the thousands, officials from the MNR said that they are a usual occurrence at this time of year when bears are looking for food sources.
They advise residents to be cautious, but not panic.

Roaming bears may be expected in rural areas with large tracts of forest and woodland, but residents were surprised to see a black bear on Dalton Road wandering precariously close to local schools and businesses in Sutton last Wednesday.

Sutton resident Kayla Pollock describes being dumbfounded after driving past the bear in the middle of Dalton Road at about 7 p.m.
“I am a wildlife expert and work with bears, but I still had no idea what to do,” she said, adding that she Googled ‘what to do if you see a bear’ once the initial shock wore off.

“I certainly don’t want to see a bear killed, but this was a dangerous situation,” she added, referring to the crowd of 15 people, which was getting out of its cars to take a closer look.

“People were honking at it and while it didn’t look afraid, it did stand up on its hind legs before disappearing behind the Hasty Mart,” she added.

Driven perhaps from their natural foraging habitat due to large-scale construction projects such as the Sutton subdivision development and ROC construction on Civic Centre Road, the bears reveal no fear of humans and seem quite comfortable foraging through commercial and residential neighbourhoods.

But while the idea of a bear sidling up to the Tim Hortons for a blueberry smoothie may be funny, the threat it poses to human safety is no laughing matter.

Ms Pollock doesn’t want residents “wasting their time” with calls to wildlife agencies such as the OSPCA or Georgina Animal Control since bear calls don’t fall under their jurisdiction.

“People should know to contact police, especially if the bear is in such close proximity and posing a threat,” she added.
Black River Public School was alerted to the bear’s presence Thursday morning after one of its school bus drivers saw a bear wandering the sidewalk on Dalton Road close to Black River Road.

While no student or staff member reported seeing the bear, Principal Tim Gervais said students were informed of the sighting during the morning announcements and advised to be on the lookout.

“At this time of year, wildlife tends to roam in search of food and it is our responsibility to respect it,” said Mr. Gervais. “Everyone at the school has been informed and keeping the children safe and secure is our main priority.”

The neighbouring pool, day-care centre and St. Bernadette’s Catholic school were also notified, as well as the Ministry of Natural Resources.

Students seemed to take the news in stride and were advised to talk to their parents. They were also instructed not to approach a bear, stick to a buddy system and to stay on well travelled routes when walking to and from school.

Mr. Gervais added no one was in imminent danger and response from the school has been one of vigilant caution.
Only one parent called Mr. Gervais with concerns after her daughter, who is in Grade 1, came home from school saying she was “terrified the bear was going to eat her”.

For young children, the Berenstain Bears are awfully cute in a book; a roaming black bear in your neighbourhood, not so much.
“We don’t want the children scared, but we felt due diligence was necessary to make the students aware of the situation and encouraged conversations at home to help alleviate fears,” said Mr. Gervais.
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1, This is only going to happen more often, as long as the spring Bear hunt is banned.
2, As Bears volley, vie for territory, more and more agitated Bears will be displaced. Taking up residence in or close to densely populated residential areas.
3, Stop texting me, it is me!!!

I would find it reasonable to allow unlimited bear hunting within urban boundaries as long as you have the appropriate 'urban bear hunting license', which of course would impose far more stringent safety and handling standards than any regular license.

In the mean time, if that urban environment neighbours a bear population, then why not start to build a fence around that urban area. The two are not necessarily contradictory. The purpose of the fence would be to reduce the need to hunt the bears in the first place, while the 'urban bear hunting license' would serve to deal with bears who do manage to enter the urban area.

I'm vegan myself, and do believe we ought to restrain from killing anomals whenever possible. However, I still believe that when it comes to a choice between protecting people or animals, then people trump animals.

Sorry I just reread my post and it mightbe misconstrued as serious. I was kidding about urban hunting.

I was mixing humour in with serious stuff though. I was not kidding about possibly building a fence around urban areas though.

 

[CDNBear]

But people have to realize that most bear problems are caused by people.

I'd go so far as to say all.

There is a way to live in peace with bears but people get all bent out of shape for nothing (most of the time) when they see bears.

Yep, I agree. I was raised in Bear territory, my kids and wife are Bear savvy. I'm not fearful of Bears. I'm afraid that incidents will be met with a kneejerk reaction. Resulting in culls, or poison baiting.

More than just Bears eat the bait.

Which is why I support the spring Bear hunt. An injection of approx $50,000,000 into the Ontario economy. Decreasing the Bear population enough to cut back on nuisance Bears. And directly funding of wildlife management programs, from funds gathered for licensing.

It's win, win, win.

Fear is caused by ignorance and is the cause of most of the unnecessary deaths on both sides.

Agreed.

In the mean time, if that urban environment neighbours a bear population, then why not start to build a fence around that urban area. The two are not necessarily contradictory. The purpose of the fence would be to reduce the need to hunt the bears in the first place, while the 'urban bear hunting license' would serve to deal with bears who do manage to enter the urban area.

Then you'd have people like EAO crying that the Bears are in concentration camps.

I'm vegan myself, and do believe we ought to restrain from killing anomals whenever possible. However, I still believe that when it comes to a choice between protecting people or animals, then people trump animals.

I eat meat, I eat what I kill.

 

[Machjo]

Bears are only over populated where human development has encroached on their territory. People are too stupid to keep their garbage sealed properly and pick their fruit trees before the bears smell the ripened fruit and come in to feast. What is really funny and sad is a place like New Denver, the hot bed of environmentalists (Valhalla Wilderness Society) more bears get killed every year because people just let their fruit fall to the ground. The human population is only around 400 but about 35 bears get killed every year right in town. The Wildlife Branch won't even let people eat problem bears. You can't even keep a deer that jumps out in front of your vehicle and wrecks your car. I hate seeing meat go to waste, if even for dog food.

As for encroachment, in most towns any candidate proposing urban intensification will never become a city councilor, let alone mayor. While I can certainly agree with urban intensification myself, no candidate I've ever voted for has yet won.

Now as for not being allowed to eat the bear you killed, that's just plain stupid. I can certainly see restrictions on killing bears on compassionate grounds, but once it's dead, it's dead.

 

[CDNBear]

Post #1431087 - Re: Concern grows over Bears Bad CUBert
The topic is Bears cubby. If you need me to explain anything to you, just ask.

I'm sure it might be a little embarrassing having simple concepts explained to you, but how else will you be able to keep up?

As for encroachment, in most towns any candidate proposing urban intensification will never become a city councilor, let alone mayor. While I can certainly agree with urban intensification myself, no candidate I've ever voted for has yet won.

Georgina's Mayor, did just that. Got himself re-elected too.


Post #1431125 - Re: Concern grows over Bears Bad CUBert
Still don't understand the topic eh.

Sorry cubby, if you don't ask for help, you'll never learn. If you learn, you might stop lashing out like a child.

That would be nice.

 

[petros]

I'm going to print and frame that one for the basement bathroom.

 

[gerryh]

I don't see where the problem is, if there's an over population problem, leave out food in the fall for the females that is treated to cause them to abort the cubs. Over population problem solved.

 

[Machjo]

Then you'd have people like EAO crying that the Bears are in concentration camps.

Well, seeing that the purpose of the fences would not be to keep the bears in, but rather keep them out, then would it not be more akin to keeping people in concentration camps?

Of course people could leave town via walking paths, cycling paths, roads, railways, flights, etc. But seeing that those would all involve high traffic areas, It's highly unlikely a bear would enter that way. End even if the odd bear did tner town via a local road leading out of town at 3.00 am, then we'd deal with it. But that would then be a rare occurrence indeed.

I eat meat, I eat what I kill.

And I admire that. Of course even among vegans there may be differences of opinion. In my view, eating meat can be a necessity in some more isolated communities or communities with harsher environments not conducive to agriculture. So for the most part I'm less concerned with whether an animal is killed than I am with the way it's treated. Sure not killing the animal at all is the ideal when it's possible. Otherwise, killing an animal in a humane way, and only when necessary, while showing it some reverence, and eating it if it's edible, and not letting it go to waste, is really all I'd ask. And my guess is that with the exception of a few wackos out there, most hunters and fishermen, etc. do treat the animals they kill with appropriate compassion and reverence.

 

[CDNBear]

Well, seeing that the purpose of the fences would not be to keep the bears in, but rather keep them out, then would it not be more akin to keeping people in concentration camps?

You'd have to ask EAO. I understand it the way you do, but according to some, it's completely different in the ME.

Of course people could leave town via walking paths, cycling paths, roads, railways, flights, etc. But seeing that those would all involve high traffic areas, It's highly unlikely a bear would enter that way. End even if the odd bear did tner town via a local road leading out of town at 3.00 am, then we'd deal with it. But that would then be a rare occurrence indeed.

At 7pm, on Dalton, not 2 minutes from my house, there was a Bear in the middle of the street.

And my guess is that with the exception of a few wackos out there, most hunters and fishermen, etc. do treat the animals they kill with appropriate compassion and reverence.

The good and ethical ones anyways.

 

[Machjo]

Georgina's Mayor, did just that. Got himself re-elected too.

You've got yourself some smart voters there then.

Here in Ottawa, the city's urban geographical boundaries are way too large for the population we have. Sure we have a large population as far as Canadian cities go, but not nearly large enough to warrant the urban boundaries we currently have! Sure we don't have any bear problems, though we've had minor deer problems in the past.

But generally speaking, believe it or not, most voters in Ottawa would like to see the urban boundary expanded even more. I mean seriously, I shower every morning, sometimes even in the evening, wear underarm deodorant, wear clean clothes at all times, change socks daily, brush my teach, floss, shave, put on aftershave, comb my hair, trim my nails, get my hair cut at least 4 tomes a year, and am quiet to boot. I mean seriously, how much distance do Ottawa residents need between us?!

 

[petros]

There was a moose that wintered in the park downtown last winter.

 

[CDNBear]

You've got yourself some smart voters there then.

A lot of the people I know, call him a crook.

Here in Ottawa, the city's urban geographical boundaries are way too large for the population we have. Sure we have a large population as far as Canadian cities go, but not nearly large enough to warrant the urban boundaries we currently have! Sure we don't have any bear problems, though we've had minor deer problems in the past.

Past? Minor? During the rut, the 416 looks like a Kabul street after an IED.

But generally speaking, believe it or not, most voters in Ottawa would like to see the urban boundary expanded even more. I mean seriously, I shower every morning, sometimes even in the evening, wear underarm deodorant, wear clean clothes at all times, change socks daily, brush my teach, floss, shave, put on aftershave, comb my hair, trim my nails, get my hair cut at least 4 tomes a year, and am quiet to boot. I mean seriously, how much distance do Ottawa residents need between us?!

I hear ya.