Common citizenship?
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If they have paid their taxes, you'll just have to live with it.
Why?
Because other than being born in Canada (or any other country for that matter), what is the difference?
It's time Canada re-established a sovereign national identity.. starting with citizenship.. and going directly to re-establishing an integrated national industrial economy.. through comprehensive tariff protection.. and re-nationalizing the currency and credit control from the international banking cartels (and their running dogs in the IMF).
Citizenship has increasingly become inchoate, non committal, based on convenience. If you want to become Canadian then you should be given all the privileges of citizenship and required to accept all of its responsibilities.. without the division and ambiguities that dual citizenship allow. Without exception... with perhaps a 5 year grace period.. before its imposed on the country as a whole.
I would not support a common citizenship.
What I do support though, is the notion that our borders are an artificial, bureaucratic barrier, and that when and where people can move freely of their own accord, they should be allowed to do so. Very 'lefty' of me I know, but, demanding passports and security clearance to walk across an imaginary line is ridiculous, and attempting to fight a war against natural human desire to travel and explore, is wasteful, expensive, classist, and ultimately detrimental to a healthy society.
Making it law that one must go the proper bureaucratic route to actually work and pay taxes etc., is one thing, but, preventing travel is another.
What I do support though, is the notion that our borders are an artificial, bureaucratic barrier, and that when and where people can move freely of their own accord, they should be allowed to do so. Very 'lefty' of me I know, but, demanding passports and security clearance to walk across an imaginary line is ridiculous, and attempting to fight a war against natural human desire to travel and explore, is wasteful, expensive, classist, and ultimately detrimental to a healthy society.
Making it law that one must go the proper bureaucratic route to actually work and pay taxes etc., is one thing, but, preventing travel is another.
It sounds the opposite of "lefty" to me.
More government = more control over the people = further to the left.
You sound libertarian which is a good thing.
I hear you, Karrie but across that "bureaucratic barrier" is a different set of laws and enforcement officers, who feel they already have enough "bad customers" to keep an eye on without importing more. -
In California illegal aliens are some of the folks with the best characters because of their limited prior exposure to American popular culture. Most seem like good people. But there is a problem.
They work so hard that they don't have time to raise their children to have the same characteristics. That's where the gangs come in. They raise the children to be vatos or putas. That imposes societal costs that are overwhelming.
Maybe you are just unaware of what is required to become a citizen, maybe you are just an ignoramous. I'm not sure but in case it is the former let me explain the process.
You must first apply for and be awarded 'landed immigrant' status. This requires you either have a job to go to or you have immediate family with a job who will sponsor you so as not to burden the social safety net further. After a period of 5 years as a landed immigrant you may then apply for citizenship. You must prove you have contributed to this country through payment of taxes, have a job or a sponsor, pass a written test on Canada including it's history, geography and govt. and then you must swear an oath that you will do your best in all civic duties and obligations.
This isn't some willy-nilly game of handing out citizenship to anyone who can get here. There are some exceptions for people claiming asylum but the still have to wait to get full citizenship. While I agree with you on stronger protectionist commercial laws and tariffs you are obviously delusional about how citizenship is conferred and what is required to even apply. BTW, our current govt is introducing legislation requiring all new immigrants be fluent in reading, writing and speaking one of the official languages which is going to put another barrier on citizenship and I agree with the requirement.
No. All the freeloaders would move to where ever the freebees are best and probably demand that the taxpayer pay for their move. We already let too many newcomers take advantage of government services that they have not contributed any money.
Canada once had exactly that, in that they were "British Subjects", entitled to go into any other British entity, around the world.
When Canada chose to have it's own distinct citizenship in 1947, they also kept the "British Subject" status.
That lasted till 1983, when the Brits eliminated all "British Subject" status people from having British citizenship.
When Canada chose to have it's own distinct citizenship in 1947, they also kept the "British Subject" status.
That lasted till 1983, when the Brits eliminated all "British Subject" status people from having British citizenship.
Up to 1965 British citizenship got you automatic Canadian Citizenship.
Aussie immigration:
" DO you have a British criminal record, sir?"
" I wasn't aware, old chap, that that was still a pre requisite..."
But then workers would move away from those areas so there would be no tax base. Don' you love how this would work? I'm not saying the social security system would completely collapse, but it would suddenly find itself constrained by more reasonable limits.
Remember too that i doubt many Mexicans are used to collecting social security anyway.
Not me...you are the nutcase. Really! Just how do you see something like this working? What I see is a bunch of poor folks from a foreign country that have never contributed to our country or our economy arriving here to avail themselves of our welfare system and healthcare and whatever else they can get for free. They will probably put lots of Canadians out of work as they will work for $4/hr which is twice what they used to make in their own country.
Your idea is absolute nuttery! If there was a Nobel prize for stupidity you would win hands down!!!
So they'll all go on social security and take our jobs?
Well, which is it?
Your idea is absolute nuttery! If there was a Nobel prize for stupidity you would win hands down!!!
Of course. They'll be the fully-employed unemployed according to you.
Some will avail themselves of welfare, some will steal our jobs. All will use our healthcare system having never paid a penny into it. Those that work will work for such a low wage they won't have to pay taxes which means those Canadians that don't lose their jobs to this influx of cheap labour will have to contribute enough to cover the extra welfare, healthcare and missing taxes.
Could you really be any more insane?
You don't trust a free labour market? You think workers all need to be molly-coddled?
Afraid to lose your job?
Afraid to lose your job?