CIA boss names Bhutto 'killers'

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7195591.stm

The CIA has added its support to the view that a Pakistani militant, Baitullah Mehsud, and al-Qaeda organised Benazir Bhutto's killing.

CIA Director Michael Hayden told the Washington Post that the former Pakistani prime minister was killed by fighters allied to Baitullah Mehsud.

The Pakistani government accused Mehsud of the attack shortly after Ms Bhutto's death in Rawalpindi on 27 December.

Mr Hayden did not reveal the sources for his claim.

Correspondents say that Mr Hayden's comments are the most comprehensive public assessment by US intelligence of Ms Bhutto's death.

Controversy still surrounds the circumstances of the killing.

One or more attackers shot at her and detonated a bomb as she was leaving a rally in Rawalpindi.

Baitullah Mehsud has denied involvement. The Pakistani government says it intercepted a phone conversation proving that he was behind the attack.

'Organised campaign'

CIA Director Michael Hayden is now backing the Pakistani government's view.

"This was done by that network around Baitullah Mehsud. We have no reason to question that," Mr Hayden told the Washington Post.

He said the murder was "part of an organised campaign" that has included suicide bombings and other attacks on Pakistani leaders.

Mr Hayden said that the same forces were responsible for a new outbreak of violence sweeping across Pakistan which was undermining the stability of President Pervez Musharraf's government.

"You've got this nexus now that probably was always there in latency but is now active: a nexus between al-Qaeda and various extremist and separatist groups," Mr Hayden said.

"It is clear that their intention is to continue to try to do harm to the Pakistani state as it currently exists."
Forces belonging to Baitullah Mehsud have also been blamed by the government for seizing a fort from the military in the troubled region of South Waziristan on Wednesday.

Ok, if he doesn't explain how or why he has come to this conclusion, then how the hell does one believe the assesment? He just shoots his claim out there and we suck it up with no evidence.

Sounds like more pampering to Musharraf if you ask me.

Perhaps the outbreak of violence isn't some extremist group, but actually the people of Pakistan being a little PO'd over the whole situation. Granted, there is still the Al Qaeda / Taliban organizations nearby, but above seems like they're labeling anybody who opposes Musharraf, is some extremist.

Good way to prevent revolution and protest against the government.... label them something else to make them the bad guys.

Majority of Pakistan's people have been polled saying that most of the violence in their country would be gone if Musharraf was no longer in power. Whether this is true, or just ignorant viewpoints on the overall situation, it does hold fact to the collective of how the people feel in their country. And one would hope the people who live in their own country would know their country best.
 

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As soon as you mentioned the source I became skeptic. The CIA couldn't track an elephant that had a nosebleed through a ten foot high snow bank. Lets wait and see what the professionals at Scotland Yard report when their work is completed. I'm an American and a former military man. In combat situations the worst source of information was the CIA.
 

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Well if he was ever so kind as to explain a little bit of what made him come to his conclusion, then things might sound a bit plausable.... but it was just another example of "This is what happened, it happened because we said so.... believe it." ~ Like some Sub-Christian Cult trying to snake around the facts and push what they want you to believe.

Evidence and proof are the decision swayers in the world.... if you have none to back up your claim, don't expect people to follow like lemmings. Esspecially after a string of false information and critical blunders.
 

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As soon as you mentioned the source I became skeptic. The CIA couldn't track an elephant that had a nosebleed through a ten foot high snow bank. Lets wait and see what the professionals at Scotland Yard report when their work is completed. I'm an American and a former military man. In combat situations the worst source of information was the CIA.

They pulled off 9/11... didn't they?
 

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In a recent poll Pakistanis identified America as thier worst problem not Mussharef, he is of course an American puppet so the BBC is playing with the poll. The CIA/ISI offed Buhutto to create an event for intervention which they have already done with 3500 special forces put on the ground in the region this week, they will start the final destabalization of Pakistan and it's partition.
 

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Everyone Reeeelax...


With the average Americans keen grasp of the obvious....whoops no weapons of mass destruction.....oh what the heck let's just bomb this nation back to the stone-age anyway we've got the money....

And the average Americans noble support for law and order....the Bush Administration will undoubtedly tell everyone who their CIA agents are all over the world....They let that slime in the Oval Orafice give a pass to the people responsible for "outing" a CIA agent...

The CIA is very much like the RCMP...

Neither could find their arses with both hands and a roadmap. Any information....I'd point out that I didn't use the term "intelligence"....collected and disseminated by the CIA should be taken under advisement at the best of times.... See Viet Nam...Or any of three dozen occaisions that are well documented that have seen the CIA and the American government lie and fabricate evidence...but someone there was clever enough to burn incriminating video evidence of torture practices by the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave....

What a joke.
 

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The CIA is very much like the RCMP...

Um, not quite. More like CSIS, but we're better.

Neither could find their arses with both hands and a roadmap. Any information....I'd point out that I didn't use the term "intelligence"....collected and disseminated by the CIA should be taken under advisement at the best of times.... See Viet Nam...Or any of three dozen occaisions that are well documented that have seen the CIA and the American government lie and fabricate evidence...but someone there was clever enough to burn incriminating video evidence of torture practices by the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave....

What a joke.

I agree to most of that, but the RCMP, local police departments and with CSIS all prevented that big attempt to behead harper, blow up a damn or something.... you all heard of it. Anywho, that's kinda a good job to me at least. Nobody died.
 

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I hate to say this and I dont want to offend anyone but in their country what rights do women have, heck they have to cover their heads up. There are lots of male chovonistic (sorry about the spelling) pigs over there that would let hell freeze over before they had a women tell them what to do..............or run their country. It was only a matter of time before she got killed which yes it was an unfortunate event
 

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I hate to say this and I dont want to offend anyone but in their country what rights do women have, heck they have to cover their heads up. There are lots of male chovonistic (sorry about the spelling) pigs over there that would let hell freeze over before they had a women tell them what to do..............or run their country. It was only a matter of time before she got killed which yes it was an unfortunate event

That personality is more in those who misinterpreted the book of Quran. The modest dressing is supposed to be followed by both genders, as they have guidelines for both. Men are supposed to treat their wives with the highest regard..... there's actually a lot in their faith which has been misunderstood in western society. The covering of the woman is supposed to not really protect them per say, but it's like Christians about sex before marriage.... it's something they save for their husband (Their body and mind, etc.)

But don't forget, 50 to 100 years or so ago, women we're dressed up like Ronald MacDonald at the beaches and were not suppose to expose hardly anything close to what they do now:





Their culture isn't all that different from the past compared to our own.
 

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Alright Praxius if what you say is true then why is their domestic abuse rate so high if they are supposed to treat them with the highest regard
 

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Alright Praxius if what you say is true then why is their domestic abuse rate so high if they are supposed to treat them with the highest regard

Well that's simple... the same reason why we have women's shelters in every State and Provience. It's the same reason why husbands beat their wives in our own countries. Christianity teaches to respect thy neighbor, don't screw with their wives, and your wife whom who took a life long vow with and to provide and care for until death do you part... yet that doesn't help anything here does it?

Men are jerks no matter where you go or what faith you follow. And it's not isolated to just them.

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Don't forget that it was not too long ago it was proper for schools to strap kids, beat them, parents clubbed the living b-jesus out of them, and let's not forget about these:

 
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Good Evening, Gents;

I find your conversation interesting, and as the wheels in my head are always turning, I rightaway remembered the Kennedy and Martin Luther King stories. If you think the CIA couldn't find their.... with both hands, you are fools!!! Sorry, I have to be so blunt!;-)

On January 10th, 2008 the CIA "celebrated" Martin Luther King Day.
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/martin-luther-king-jr.html

A few years ago I read Mark Lane's book on the death of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., "Murder in Memphis: The FBI and the Assassination of Martin Luther King"


He proved it was an FBI/CIA job and not James Earl Ray, the official lone gunman.

Just now I asked google "who killed Martin....?"
I got this website:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE1/overlooked.html
Again proof that it was not James Earl Ray!

Now I asked google about Mark Lane, who also wrote a book on Kennedy's assassination, "Plausible Denial". I got this website:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/Lane/Lanebio.html

Within this link I came upon the following passage:
"Lane was also a lawyer for Jim Jones’s “People’s Temple” in Guyana. Regarding that relationship, Michael Benson noted in Who’s Who In The JFK Assassination that “Lane’s role in the uncovering of a JFK conspiracy is made more intriguing by the fact that Lane was a lawyer for Jim Jones’s People’s Temple in Jonestown, Guyana, and managed to escape the bizarre community just before the massacre. According to researcher John Judge (Critique, Spring/Summer 1986), Jonestown was not a religious community at all, but rather a part of the CIA mind-control program known as MK/ULTRA”. Whew!

These murders by agents of the US Government have never been admitted, nor have Mark Lane's claims about the murders of these two prominent American political figures been followed up and investigated.

So, better click your heels, Gentlemen, and stand at attention, because they find and get their man any time, if they want to.

I wonder what has gotten into me, to shoot my mouth off like this!! Anytime there could be a knock on my door, ..."Loon, you are under arrest!!!!"
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snowwhite20

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praxius I do see your point and that is another reason I dont believe in christianity. And yes there are lots of psyco women out there too..........I watched the Montel Williams show too women that beat their husbands, and in either way maybe we should just treat others as we want to be treated