Chrystia Freeland

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Oh I absolutely agree.

Even Provincially it's horrible, and that was under the previous Con government for New Brunswick. I expect no better with the new Liberals in charge.

But you also can't fire em all, either.

And amalgamating things doesn't help either; it makes it worse (another thing we're experiencing here in NB; too many jobs, not enough people).

Finding the balance is the problem.
The Peace Corps has one good idea. You can be in the Peace Corps for five years. Then you're done. No matter if you were a volunteer and ended up as the boss of the whole shootin' match, or started as the boss and filled a chair for five years, you're out.

I envision an independent audit agency with a similar mandatory turnover requirement.

Not a complete solution, just one tool. . . but it's kept the Peace Corps vital and free of "burrowers" for a long time now.
 

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On Wednesday, the Tories set out clear benchmarks for the public service cleanup. The plan is to not replace employees when they leave, the party’s deputy leader, Melissa Lantsman, told the National Post. Given that around 17,000 staff members end their service each year, that will reduce the size of the federal workforce by upwards of 68,000 positions over a four-year mandate.

Since the ascension of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the federal public service has grown by about 111,000 staff members — from about 257,000 during Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s last year in government, to roughly 368,000 in the 2023-24 fiscal year.

(In the same period, the general population grew 15 per cent)
The painfully inflated bureaucracy is a huge cost to taxpayers. But it also threatens to block much-needed reforms. Nearly a third of the federal workforce was hired under Trudeau-government values, and have worked under the Trudeau government’s expectations.

The majority — 60,000 — of Trudeau-era hires have gone to just six federal departments and agencies. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada is one mega beneficiary, which saw its staff double (the feds now plan to cut 3,300 jobs back). The others are the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA), Employment and Social Development Canada, as well as the fisheries, defence and procurement departments.

But pinning all the government’s faults on a lack of manpower alone would require every department to be running at perfect efficiency, which we all know isn’t happening. The immigration office is struggling with massive backlogs as it cobbles together anti-racism plans, while Employment and Social Development Canada now has more work to do in administering the Liberals’ new daycare and dental programs — and dreaming up new plans to expand federal diversity quotas.

Similar stories can no doubt be found in other departments that have curried favour with the current government. From 2021 to 2024, Indigenous Services Canada and Crown-Indigenous Relations grew from 8,742 employees to 10,725, an increase of 23 per cent. In 2015, these departments had just 4,684 staff members. The more-than-doubling of staff has no doubt contributed to the fact that, last year, the government spent double the amount on those two Indigenous portfolios than it did on national defence.😳

Other big spikes include: Infrastructure Canada’s headcount more than doubled from 2021 to 2024; from 2015 to 2024, the Privy Council Office saw its personnel numbers rise by 77 per cent; from 2017 to 2024, the Public Health Agency of Canada nearly doubled; the government IT department of Shared Services Canada has grown by 81 per cent since 2015; and Statistics Canada ballooned by 48 per cent.

The most extreme case of bloat could be found in the bowels of Women and Gender Equality Canada, which more than quadrupled its workforce under Trudeau, expanding to 443 employees in 2024, from 92 in 2015…’cuz it’s 2015-ish?

Waste and over-extension are endemic to the current government, which is why some serious belt-tightening over the next few years shouldn’t be a problem. And it’s clear that even Trudeau, the public-sector cheerleader that he is, doesn’t think his current employees can do the work: every year, his spending on private consulting firms rises by another billion or so, reaching $15 billion in 2023.
And yet, despite the fact that (CRA as an example) it take a person at LEAST 1 hour if not more to get anyone with any answers on a phone! So why hire more people if the service isn't going to improve?
 
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Admittedly, the first time I saw Carney was on his Daily Show segment and I thought it was not a bad intro 'to the world', so to speak.

If I HAD to vote for a Liberal, I would vote for him, but not because of that. Rather it's his background in economics that'd get me. We NEED someone with that level of know how.

Hell, if he'd have run Conservative, I'da voted for him too, provided the rest of his policies were at least something reasonable.
I wouldn't vote for him purely on the basis that he's involved with the WEF so economics or not, he's not good for the country no matter how "expert" he is. In fact, I would consider him dangerous because he's a lot more capable than Trudy & smarter too which in & of itself is dangerous to Canadians & because he supports the WEF more than he supports Canada & Canadians.
 
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And yet, despite the fact that (CRA as an example) it take a person at LEAST 1 hour if not more to get anyone with any answers on a phone! So why hire more people if the service isn't going to improve?
You’re saying that service from CRA hasn’t gotten 42% better? A decade ago, if you got frustrated waiting, you could just to to the Service Canada outlet in your city, but that’s no longer an option at least here in Regina (no staff).
 

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You’re saying that service from CRA hasn’t gotten 42% better? A decade ago, if you got frustrated waiting, you could just to to the Service Canada outlet in your city, but that’s no longer an option at least here in Regina (no staff).
No the service hasn't gotten 42% better. OMGosh, I wish....
 

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SoCreds were Conservative.
Not in BC. I knew quite a few, and they were almost all Federal Liberals. One even ran as federal liberal but lost.We also had a provincial conservative party in those days.
 

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And she made the following promise about her ability to bring Canadians together: “I will unite every province and territory; business leaders and working people; and Canadians from every walk of life and of every political conviction.” Clearly, her hecklers do not agree.
She has. Almost everyone despises her.
 
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Taxslave2

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It is unquestionably too large.
We also have a huge problem with the growth in municipal and regional district governments. And in their pay.
On Wednesday, the Tories set out clear benchmarks for the public service cleanup. The plan is to not replace employees when they leave, the party’s deputy leader, Melissa Lantsman, told the National Post. Given that around 17,000 staff members end their service each year, that will reduce the size of the federal workforce by upwards of 68,000 positions over a four-year mandate.
Not a bad idea. Now, if promotions become based on merit, there is potential for newcomers to see a future in doing a good job.
. Given that around 17,000 staff members end their service each year, that will reduce the size of the federal workforce by upwards of 68,000 positions over a four-year mandate.
 
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You’re saying that service from CRA hasn’t gotten 42% better? A decade ago, if you got frustrated waiting, you could just to to the Service Canada outlet in your city, but that’s no longer an option at least here in Regina (no staff).
Once upon a time, CRA staff was there to assist taxpayers. Now, they just look for ways to scam money. Two prime examples: The covid payments that were legit under the rules that CRA claimed were overpayments and demanded back. You could fight them, but they were applying interest to the money they claimed you owed while you waited for a different member of their staff to determine the outcome of your claim.
2: the recent change in Capital Gains, which never made it into law, but CRA is collecting anyway. Their reasoning is that they start collecting when a new or improved tax is proposed, even if it doesn't pass in Parliment.
 
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Not in BC. I knew quite a few, and they were almost all Federal Liberals. One even ran as federal liberal but lost.We also had a provincial conservative party in those days.
The British Columbia Social Credit Party was a conservative political party in British Columbia, Canada. It was the governing party of British Columbia for all but three years between the 1952 provincial election and the 1991 election.

British Columbia Social Credit Party - Wikipedia

 

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The British Columbia Social Credit Party was a conservative political party in British Columbia, Canada. It was the governing party of British Columbia for all but three years between the 1952 provincial election and the 1991 election.

British Columbia Social Credit Party - Wikipedia

Yes but. vanderslam lost the debate to the Liberal who stated to the bickering NDP and Socred nominees see this is why nothing ever gets done . The Socreds were toast after that and resulted in the Liberal Socred coalition under the liberal banner . After that we got Campbell and Christy Clark both more red than blue .
 
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Yes but. vanderslam lost the debate to the Liberal who stated to the bickering NDP and Socred nominees see this is why nothing ever gets done . The Socreds were toast after that and resulted in the Liberal Socred coalition under the liberal banner . After that we got Campbell and Christy Clark both more red than blue .
Clark was the only one to get anything done since WAC.