Christianity is modernizing?
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Last I heard, Haysoos wasn't born on Dec 25, but on Sept 11. That would make him a Virgo if he actually existed. Big "if".
Okay sure, but who's judging? The modern church only wants to invite anyone who will listen. It's the promises of physical healing, having your sins forgiven, forming a real personal relationship with God, victory over any situation, and discovering a real spiritual journey that is making people listen.
Uh, no, the approx time from Adam to Jesus was six thousand years.
It doesn't say that at all.
or that...
or that...
or this...
demons exist, invisible spirit? Humans are the ones with a spirit. It is invisible to the natural eye.
no such thing
THE holy ghost. The third deity in the trinity. NOT the father's spirit. Another person.
exist...
The snake was Satan himself speaking, as for the bushes and donkey, those were techniques used by God to break into someone's life, since he created the universe he can do anything.
You already know he can do anything...
where do I start? Jesus IS God, and so is the Father and the HS, they reside in heaven currently, but they live in us...
it doesn't have power over him. Prayer confesses what God has already said. It gives you the ability to say "Papa, you said..."
true...
the invisible spirit can be saved or unsaved, your soul is your mind, your free will, your intellect,
the "heart" is your spirit, a lot of your thought comes from here, mainly your true colours,
or out loud,
God's word doesn't say that either...
true...
if your faith is at that level,
ditto...
remember, anything is possible, even God working through humans...
actually and seriously, I can see Jesus. When I meditate, I can see him in my mind's eye...
SOME diseases are caused by demons...
again, God's inerrant word doesn't say that...
Another example of God breaking into someone's life and into world history...
So in conclusion: angels and truth exist, ghosts and karma don't
Glad we could clear this up;-)
:smile:People who sit around and listen to others spout religious dogma are not on a spiritual journey. They are sheep being fleeced. A spiritual journey is a personal inquiry into the truth, no matter what or where it turns out to be. Listening to the same old rhetoric, like you have been spouting, is an abdication of the personal journey and responsibility. It is believing in someone else's promises based on unsubstantiated doctrine and badly written literature.
What you end up with is the same old belief system repackaged for a present day consumer, not a spiritual journey. You want a spiritual journey, take a page out of your book and wander out into the wilderness for forty days and forty nights alone like your icon supposedly did. You want insight, you must first face your demons, your skeletons in your closet. Then perhaps you can claim spiritual insight. You will find nothing in books or at the feet of teachers but meaningless words and symbols.
Actually Cliffy, I am far more spiritually advanced than thou.
You think you have experienced spirituality, but instead you've given in to sensuality.
When one has it all figured out, they will no longer need to be here. I wake up in the morning and realize that because my journey has not ended, I have more to learn. Life is a journey, not a destination. Religion promises a destination. It is a false promise based on a false premise. The door is personal and each of us has his/her own door. "The path is narrow"... not wide open to all.
I'm sorry Alley, but you sound like someone who has replaced pot with dogma to get themselves giddy, one crutch for another.
You have not been on my journey. You have no idea where I have been or what I have experienced. You are in no position to make those judgments. All you have is religious arrogance. But I know that your journey will eventually lead you to the light. You are on the path but you are just beginning.
Actually, Jesus said: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:4) That means we are supposed to choose to walk in the ways of the Lord, not the ways of men.
I can understand the dislike for denominational churches, but a "modern church" needs to be based on the word of God in order to be of value.
And who's version of the word, and which god's words are you talking about? The bible is a work of fiction. People who believe in the Lord of the Rings have just as much chance at salvation as a Christian, Jew or Muslim. There are something like 2500 versions of Christianity, each one claiming to be the only true one. Anybody who thinks they have an inside seat to heaven based on which brand of Christianity they follow is an egotesticle (misspell intentional) fruit loop.
John 7:24.
How do we distinguish the word of God as opposed to say, the word of Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Eli, Benjamin, Soloman, Rebecca, Matthew, Mark etc. etc.
Give me a break. Does anyone know why the evangelicals rise to about 35% of the
population and then slip back to about 20% or so by the time Bush left office?
Because they are pumped full of all kinds of stuff, and then they go out into the real
world. Too bad really there are some good messages but the get all caught up in
the healing and miracles and the wonder of the Lord and so on and gone is any
sense of reality. There was a time when I too was stuffed with the saving grace stuff
and I discovered that every time the church was stuck for an answer, the mysteries of
God card was played. With Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, religion became more
about politics than religion as they were fighting for power. We have the four books
of the Bible, that don't match up and the rest is made up of mysteries, magic sticks
and blind faith that doesn't do anyone any favours
population and then slip back to about 20% or so by the time Bush left office?
Because they are pumped full of all kinds of stuff, and then they go out into the real
world. Too bad really there are some good messages but the get all caught up in
the healing and miracles and the wonder of the Lord and so on and gone is any
sense of reality. There was a time when I too was stuffed with the saving grace stuff
and I discovered that every time the church was stuck for an answer, the mysteries of
God card was played. With Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, religion became more
about politics than religion as they were fighting for power. We have the four books
of the Bible, that don't match up and the rest is made up of mysteries, magic sticks
and blind faith that doesn't do anyone any favours
Almost all "quotes" from Jesus are extremely suspect since they were written centuries after his death by many who had no knowledge of the Jesus or the Jews.
For more than a century his crucifixion was never mentioned & likewise his so-called resurrection which just like his "virgin birth" was an extremely common claim for prophets & other charlatans at that time.
All bullsh*t.
Supposedly he said that no one could get to heaven except through him. A terrible claim if you actually think it through.
He also commanded any followers to cast off their parents, wives, and children and to take no heed for the future because (of course he was gonna take ONLY his followers to Heaven.
Those two teachings are as suspect as all the others but if the gullible believe it then they have to accept that he was an intolerant and evil man.
As noted elsewhere, faith is just a synonym for insanity.