China warns the US.....

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Sy said:
Machjo said:
Sy said:
My biggest fear about my forthcoming trip to asia is this impending doom...i don't want to become a p.o.w. in a chinese or north korean camp...anyone seen the movie 7 Years in Tibet? I have a feeling i'll be in a similar situation as brad pitt...

Oh, and by the way, I wasn't totally kidding with anything I'd said in that previous post!

If i'm headed to China i'll have to look you up, but it looks like I may be headed to south korea...teaching english to those who want to learn. Thanks for the invite though :)


Then watch for the dog meat. Tastes like beef really.
 

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http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=1421

[/quote]*** China and Russia are forcing the USA out of Central Asia. Today Uzbekistan ordered US personnel to leave within 6 months. Reports in the Western mass media this morning do not mention the Chinese connection or acknowledge that this historic event is a major strategic victory for China and Russia. The Western media were informed of China's strategy by a senior US general earlier this month. Instead, the incident is being spun in many sections of the corporate media as America making a stand for democracy, but in reality the US has supported the brutal Uzbek regime all along, and this is just another case of US support for evil backfiring.***

Uzbekistan has reportedly given the US six months to move out of a key base used for operations in Afghanistan.

The notice to leave Karshi-Khanabad air base, known as K2, was given to the US embassy in the Uzbek capital on Friday.

A Pentagon spokesman said the US was "evaluating the note to see exactly what it means".

Uzbekistan has been an ally of the US in Central Asia, but correspondents say relations were strained over the bloody suppression of a protest in May.

Earlier this month, Russia, China and four Central Asian states demanded a timetable for US troop withdrawal from the region, saying military operations in Afghanistan were coming to an end.

 

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no1important said:
I don't think the US would try to liberate or protect Taiwan from China because bullies and thugs tend to only pick on people that do not have the means to fight back.

Sort of like Canada picking on Denmark over a pile of rocks.

Real tough.
 

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Even Denmark would cream us in a fight :D

I had to laugh when I read an article this weekend in the USA Today that Canada landed some troops on a pile of rocks in the Artic to claim sovreignty over it and against Denmarks claims to it.

The only inhabitants were penguins and they don't seem to mind whose flag is there. They just kind of looked and hobbled along doing penguin stuff.

But hey... whatever makes you feel good.
 

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EagleSmack said:
missile said:
Even Denmark would cream us in a fight :D

I had to laugh when I read an article this weekend in the USA Today that Canada landed some troops on a pile of rocks in the Artic to claim sovreignty over it and against Denmarks claims to it.

The only inhabitants were penguins and they don't seem to mind whose flag is there. They just kind of looked and hobbled along doing penguin stuff.

But hey... whatever makes you feel good.


Pengiuns... :)

I don't think there are penguins there, unless Bill Graham brought some over on his visit…

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050728-100755-8680r.htm
 

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I didn't know they were allies...I thought they didn't trust each other....interesting.
 

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I didn't know they were allies...I thought they didn't trust each other....interesting.


new alliances are being formed.......rather quietly...for the most part. Shifting sands :wink:
 

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I see what you mean.

I don't think it will amount to much....both those countries depend on American dollars and cooperation.
 

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The 'Great Game' Heats Up in Central Asia
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Russia and China delivered a one-two punch to Washington's ambitions in Central Asia on the eve of the G8 summit with a joint statement on "international order" followed by a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (S.C.O.) that was hostile to U.S. interests. While this combination was not enough to knock the U.S. out of the region, it was the most forceful challenge to U.S. interests in Central Asia since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. [See: "Intelligence Brief: Shanghai Cooperation Organization"]

Seeking to prevent any further damage to Washington's position in the "Great Game," last week U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld traveled to the region to shore up support for maintaining its bilateral agreements with the key players. This was followed by Uzbekistan announcing a deadline for U.S. withdrawal from a military base in its territory. These moves indicate that even though fighting in Afghanistan has yet to cool down, the traditional power politics of Central Asia are heating up.

China and Russia Coordinate Their Central Asian Policies

Before the S.C.O. meeting, Russia's and China's leaders met at the Kremlin on July 1 to discuss their goals in Central Asia and the upcoming G8 summit. The meeting signaled a shift toward greater cooperation between the two states, completely solved their long-standing border disputes from the legal perspective, and laid the foundation for greater integration of their state-controlled oil companies and banking sectors. One reason that the atmosphere in the Kremlin was so unusually amiable was the perception that a shared threat loomed larger than their differences in policy goals; that threat was Washington's role in Central Asia.

The "Joint Statement of the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation Regarding the International Order of the 21st Century," signed by Chinese President Hu Jintao and Russian President Vladimir Putin on July 2, addresses U.S. hegemony in several less-than-oblique passages. The text emphasizes "non-interference in internal affairs," "mutual respect" for other nations' "sovereignty," and stresses the role of "multipolarity" in dealing with conflicts.

In a passage aimed at Washington's perceived encroachment in Central Asia, the document states, "The peoples of all countries should be allowed to decide the affairs of their own countries, and world affairs should be decided through dialogue and consultation on a multilateral and collective basis. The international community should thoroughly renounce the mentality of confrontation and alignment, should not pursue the right to monopolize or dominate world affairs, and should not divide countries into a leading camp and a subordinate camp." This last statement could also easily be read as a preemptive dismissal of the G8 on the eve of the Scotland meeting. Though Russia is now a member and China an observer of the grouping, they feel that the organization is dominated by the West's agenda.

This dismissal of Western-style multilateralism is further expanded in a passing broadside aimed at the World Bank and the I.M.F. and their emphasis on reform in exchange for aid or loans: "The international community should establish an economic and trade regime that is comprehensive and widely accepted and that operates through the means of holding negotiations on an equal footing, discarding the practice of applying pressure and sanctions to coerce unilateral economic concessions, and bringing into play the roles of global and regional multilateral organizations and mechanisms."

Beijing and Moscow resent the West demanding economic reforms before further integrating China and Russia into the existing globalization power structures. They wish to present an alternative marketplace for developing countries to sell their goods -- one that does not tie economic access to reform or transparency. China has been able to successfully use the widely expected expansion of its domestic market to sell this alternative source of revenue to countries irked by the I.M.F. or World Bank, from South America to Africa. Now it hopes to further cement such a relationship with the states of Central Asia.

In the joint statement, China and Russia sent a clear message to the other members of the S.C.O. -- Washington poses a threat to Central Asia's sovereignty; China and Russia can offer a similar economic and security package, only it will be designed to preserve the current status quo not to encourage market economies or democratic reforms. Fearing future waves of "color" revolutions in the region, these states were eager to receive this message.

China and Russia are acting in tandem to shore up support for S.C.O. policies by offering blanket support for the current regimes and implicitly calling attention to U.S.-led efforts to undermine their governments. The states hosting the game board will continue to swing their support from China and Russia to the U.S., and back again, so long as they keep their hold on power. The past month has seen a flurry of activity in the Great Game, and it can be expected that things will not cool down anytime soon.


dynamics of shift and change.
 

Jay

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I guess one ass kicking every 20 years or so isn't enough for the Russians....
 

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Jay said:
I guess one ass kicking every 20 years or so isn't enough for the Russians....


don't know about that , Jay.......but it seems like "everyone' is in an ass kicking mood these days. :wink: A vulcano gurgling on the surface and waiting to erupt??? :(
 

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Lets hope not....a war like that would be Armageddon.
 

Jay

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Well he will shit his pants when Christ returns over it... :wink:
 

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RE: China warns the US...

I see the Chinese President will be visiting Canada (and US)next week.

Ottawa — The President of China, Hu Jintao, will make a state visit to Canada next week.

Mr. Hu will be feted by Prime Minister Paul Martin at a state dinner in Ottawa on Sept. 8.

“I look forward to welcoming President Hu to Canada to continue our ongoing dialogue as our two countries prepare to mark 35 years of diplomatic relations,” Mr. Martin said in a release announcing the visit.

I wonder if they would like to buy some lumber??